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Post by Staybrite on Fri May 15, 2015 3:01 pm

Well done.

I hope nobody thinks I'm "nit picking" here, but I wish they would have spent their time and effort (and money) on making new music instead.
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Post by Guest on Fri May 15, 2015 3:18 pm

Staybrite wrote:Well done.

I hope nobody thinks I'm "nit picking" here, but I wish they would have spent their time and effort (and money) on making new music instead.


I'm greedy  pig ...  I wanted both new music AND the video

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Post by bjorn agin on Fri May 15, 2015 5:51 pm

Not bad. Not bad at all.

I hadn't heard their latest release. It's a definite improvement over their earlier material (especially The Fall, which left me underwhelmed). This (especially the guitar) sounds a bit Whitecross-ish. But that might just be Rex sounding like Rex.

I have to admit,  just now I didn't watch the video so much as I listened to it. So was it money well spent? Weeellll.....
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Post by alldatndensum on Fri May 15, 2015 6:04 pm

Staybrite wrote:Well done.

I hope nobody thinks I'm "nit picking" here, but I wish they would have spent their time and effort (and money) on making new music instead.


THIS EXACTLY!

A video is a nice promo for an album, but the newest album has been out for a while.  It is time to get back in the studio with all new songs and prove that they've still really got it.  "Maximus" was mostly just rehashed old tracks and the new songs just didn't prove to me that this band still had that staying power or the hunger needed to deliver what their fans want.  They NEED a new album with 10 blistering songs and two cool ballads or maybe 8 blistering tracks, two cool bluesy tracks, and two ballads.
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Post by Thiago-Brazil on Fri May 15, 2015 8:01 pm

The quality of the video is excellent! Very well done! And they fulfilled their promises of the indiegogo campaign. By the way, I had the opportunity of speak with the band and they are all great guys. I will certainly be a part of any King James crowdfunding projects I the future.
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Post by Thiago-Brazil on Fri May 15, 2015 8:05 pm

By the way, keep an eye out to the Waiting for the king, whichis the another video they did.
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Post by alldatndensum on Sat May 16, 2015 8:12 am

This is one of those songs that actually lost something on the remake to me.  Rex's performance is stellar.  Jimi sounds great as does the bass player.  It is Michael's drumming that takes away here.  Instead of just driving it like Robert Sweet did on the original, he does some sort of weird alternative pattern during the choruses that is really distracting to me.  It is almost like he wanted to do something different but couldn't figure something really good out.  Give me the original any day as it was better.
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Post by Candlemass on Sat May 16, 2015 8:31 am

What song is this from, the original, that is?
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Post by Guest on Sat May 16, 2015 9:04 am

Candlemass,

The original version is on their self-titled first album

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Post by Candlemass on Sat May 16, 2015 9:17 am

So this is better?

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Post by Candlemass on Sat May 16, 2015 9:18 am

What exactly was on the last lp they released?
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Post by Guest on Sat May 16, 2015 10:16 am

http://www.amazon.com/Maximus-King-James/dp/B00D10Y2BO

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Post by Thiago-Brazil on Sat May 16, 2015 11:49 am

No way the original is better than the remake. You might dislike what the drummer did on this song, but Robert Sweet was never a great player at all...

Camdlemass, the last ep is a mix of new songs (at around 4), and a few redone tracks from their debut albums plus a couple of instrumental tracks. As I stated several times here, those tracks needed to be redone and they are much better than the original. The only waste was the unppluged version of Miracles, as the "eletric" version was also redone.
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Post by Follower of Jesus on Sat May 16, 2015 1:31 pm

Thiago - I have to agree with Alldat on this one. There was not one of the remakes that I thought was better than the original versions. Every last one of those remakes is inferior to the originals. They made a video...big deal. Honestly, who cares? You watch it once, and then never see it again. They should definitely have put the money to use for studio time to be recording a new album.

The other thing about that video that drives me crazy is when you can clearly hear two guitar parts (a lead solo and a rhythm guitar), but there's only one guitar player. I love Dokken, but their videos from back in the day had the same problem. This video is another example. Rex pretended to be playing the solos, but you can hear - as loud as day - the other guitar, but there's no other player.
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Post by alldatndensum on Sat May 16, 2015 1:41 pm

No way the original is better than the remake. You might dislike what the drummer did on this song, but Robert Sweet was never a great player at all...

Really?  Have you never heard all the stuff he has done with Bill Menchen?  You may or may not be a fan of Menchen's music, but Robert shows on those albums that he has always been on a major leash with Stryper.  Even with King James, you can tell that he is playing to what the main creative force of the band, Rex, was wanting.  With all of Bill Menchen's projects, Robert was allowed to explore and create where and what he wanted and it shows.  Robert is way more of a player than what he will most likely be remembered for.

So this is better?

In my opinion, yes.  Robert is playing the drums during the choruses to really let the rhythm guitar and vocals create the big hook.  The drums give the song a nice driving feel that it needs.  In the newer version, Feighan does this newer, almost alternative skipping beat that sounds like he doesn't know the song very well at all to me.  It distracts and detracts from the feel of the song.  Instead of strengthening an already strong song, it weakens it horribly.
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Post by Candlemass on Sat May 16, 2015 1:42 pm

Perhaps they should've remade the entire first lp w/a few new tracks...
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Post by Candlemass on Sat May 16, 2015 1:43 pm

Never heard the debut before...
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Post by eatbugs on Sat May 16, 2015 2:42 pm

I enjoy King James in all musical forms.  Honestly, I go back and forth on if I like the originals or re-records better.  I definitely like the layered vocals on the originals better.  Waiting for the King is my favorite song by them though.

I'm with FoJ: just make a new album.  I didn't support this project because I don't watch videos.  I would support a new CD.

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Post by deathisgain on Sat May 16, 2015 6:31 pm

I know this may be treason to some, but Robert Sweet was a great drummer. His latest stuff is run of the mill. Even with his Menchen project, which in my opinion was polishing a turd. Menchen has chops but the vocals are horrendous and over power any good in the music. That being said, I think they should have put out a new record, but understand why they retread the songs for music rights.
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Post by Soldier777 on Sat May 16, 2015 7:08 pm

I agree with deathisgain. Robert Sweet is a great drummer and so is Mike Feighan with Whitecross and King James. I'm not familiar with Menchen, but I always fount Robert Sweet drumming good with Stryper. The production of the King James debut was quite good so I think the remakes was unnecessary unless it was to secure the music rights from Star Song.

As far as the video, they could of did the first video on an original song like Waiting for the King or even Just As I Am which is a most excellent hymn. The video itself has some things that I didn't like. I like performance videos but the running theme could of been presented. They could of shot the video in a prison with a bloodied cross and garment in the back drop. I find that recent videos like Stryper's No More Hell to Pay and Sympathy and Impellitteri's Wicked Maiden, Last of a Dying Breed, Wicked Maiden and Empire of Lies are performance videos with no images relating to the themes.They are all about look how good how I can play. Also, the facial expressions of Rex and Carroll kind of bothers me. Jimmi was putting too much into the video when he could of laid back and just perform. For me the highlight was watching Mike play drums but I would of liked to see a bigger kit.


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Post by alldatndensum on Sun May 17, 2015 6:28 am

When I speak of Menchen's stuff, Robert was also on the remastered versions of Final Axe, the Titanic albums, one of the Menchen albums he did with Ken Redding on vocals, etc.  The Seventh Power stuff is okay, but he does need a different vocalist.  Bill's range isn't high enough to be convincing as the Ozzy soundalike as he did on the first two Rev Seven cassettes that they put out long before most of us had heard of them.

Robert's work on all of those albums menchened was phenomenal and added a lot of definition to the songs.  He always played to the song but added parts to dress things up.  With the King James stuff, I would imagine that he came in and played what Rex wanted.  I just still don't like that skipping thing that Feighan is doing in the remake.

Time for a NEW album, King James.  Show us what ya' got!
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Post by Guest on Sun May 17, 2015 8:08 am

That skipping you speak of, I heard it in the mp3 playing it yesterday in the car.

It is annoying. I actually thought there was a problem with my CD rip the first time I heard it. It is kind of a stutter...Destroys the whole tempo

That being said, I think the rest of Maximus is awesome.

I like both the s/t release and Maximus equally


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Post by eatbugs on Sun May 17, 2015 12:20 pm

alldatndensum wrote:...all of those albums menchened...
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Post by Thiago-Brazil on Sun May 17, 2015 8:13 pm

Follower of Jesus wrote:Thiago - I have to agree with Alldat on this one. There was not one of the remakes that I thought was better than the original versions. Every last one of those remakes is inferior to the originals. They made a video...big deal. Honestly, who cares? You watch it once, and then never see it again. They should definitely have put the money to use for studio time to be recording a new album.

I would prefer to back a project of a brand new album as well. But I guess they managed to do the video, not only for the current fans, but to attract new fans as well as help them to schedule concerts. Maybe the video can be some sort of a business card. So, Rex could show to event sponsors what kind of music they do and maybe prove that they can be profitable showing the number of views on this videoclip.

I didn't back them because of the rewards or because a REALLY wanted to see a video clip of them, but because I wanted to help them to spread the word of King James band, through the video, music, concerts, etc. The testemony of the song Miracles is awesome and I want this message to reach as much people as possible. I didn't do it for myself, I did it for the band business and for the christian messsage that shall be listened. Share it on your facebook pages, spread it to your friends, there are people out there who needs to hear this message.
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Post by Thiago-Brazil on Sun May 17, 2015 8:21 pm

Soldier777 wrote:As far as the video, they could of did the first video on an original song like Waiting for the King or even Just As I Am which is a most excellent hymn. The video itself has some things that I didn't like. I like performance videos but the running theme could of been presented. They could of shot the video in a prison with a bloodied cross and garment in the back drop. I find that recent videos like Stryper's No More Hell to Pay and Sympathy and Impellitteri's Wicked Maiden, Last of a Dying Breed, Wicked Maiden and Empire of Lies are performance videos with no images relating to the themes.They are all about look how good how I can play. Also, the facial expressions of Rex and Carroll kind of bothers me. Jimmi was putting too much into the video when he could of laid back and just perform. For me the highlight was watching Mike play drums but I would of liked to see a bigger kit.
I can't see eye to eye with you. If you put a theme on your video clip, you have to spend lots of money with the schenario, people to assemble it and maybe hire a few actors, How much would it cost? And how would the acceptance of it be? Many people would state it as chessy or something worse.


I guess that what works better nowadays is to record the band play as if they were playing live. That is what Impellitteri in their last video clips, as well as Bloodgood, Saint Hell Blade videos and also Stryper's Simpathy video. I just couldn't get into the No More Hell to Pay video due to the drums that lacked in that video. Anyway, by these means bands can  make it cheaper and is more straight forward.
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Post by Pershing1134 on Sun May 17, 2015 10:01 pm

I vote for new music!
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Post by grandeped on Sun May 17, 2015 10:30 pm

I like the original version of "Prisoner" more as well. The re-make is good and has some decent punch and passion, but not to the level of the original.

The video on the other hand... that was just painful to watch for me. Some bands just don't have the presence to be in a video. They may have great music, but should not make videos centered around them acting like they are playing music live. Just shoot it live like so many other bands without video presence do.

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Post by deathisgain on Thu May 28, 2015 12:24 pm

Now they released "Waiting for the King"

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Post by Guest on Thu May 28, 2015 12:37 pm

deathisgain wrote:Now they released "Waiting for the King"



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Post by Thiago-Brazil on Thu May 28, 2015 12:51 pm

deathisgain wrote:Now they released "Waiting for the King"

I told ya, didn't I?

I will watch it later at home.
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Post by Thiago-Brazil on Thu May 28, 2015 9:00 pm

Well, this video has a few good moments and it was well done, even thoughI am not sure if I enjoyed the effects. That is why I said above i prefer just to see the band playing in a studio or in a stage.

But this video was very well succeeded in showing how great this song is. Amazing song, great vocal work and great leads on the guitar.
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Post by metaldude on Fri May 29, 2015 9:01 am

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So this is better?

In my opinion, yes.  Robert is playing the drums during the choruses to really let the rhythm guitar and vocals create the big hook.  The drums give the song a nice driving feel that it needs.  In the newer version, Feighan does this newer, almost alternative skipping beat that sounds like he doesn't know the song very well at all to me.  It distracts and detracts from the feel of the song.  Instead of strengthening an already strong song, it weakens it horribly.

Alldat is right about this. The drums kill the groove on the remake. Groove is the drummers job and it didn't work here. Everything else sounded good.
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Post by oldschooldoom on Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:12 pm

I love it Rockin Loud 
Love at first listen. My thanks to NoOne!
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