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Feeling God's Presence
I'm curious to know what other people's experiences are with this in relation to Christian metal. What Christian metal song whenever you hear it do you feel God's presence? For me, as strangely as it might seem, it is a song with no lyrics at all. Every time without fail whenever I hear it I can strongly feel God's presence and Him working in my heart.
It is Promise by Revelation Project. The "singing" in it makes me think that is what angels sound like.
The song is at 52:27 on the video below:
It is Promise by Revelation Project. The "singing" in it makes me think that is what angels sound like.
The song is at 52:27 on the video below:
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Usually for me they are those songs that are a combination of a strong emphasis on praise and worship and/or songs that summarizes what we believe like those creed type songs and God's character. Examples include:
Theocracy - I Am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3TsVaFR870
Sacred Warrior - Paradise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KT7yw1uC6E
Stryper - More Than a Man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvdAh_rmckY
Barren Cross - King of Kings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-QEfPKIy-4
Rob Rock - Millennial Reign https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMLmUJf5lWA
Theocracy - I Am https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3TsVaFR870
Sacred Warrior - Paradise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KT7yw1uC6E
Stryper - More Than a Man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvdAh_rmckY
Barren Cross - King of Kings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-QEfPKIy-4
Rob Rock - Millennial Reign https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMLmUJf5lWA
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Petra - Praise ye The Lord.
Petra - You are I AM.
Petra - All The King's Horses.
Petra - Somebody's Gonna Praise His Name.
Stryper - You Know What To Do.
Stryper - My Love will Always Show.
Gamma Ray - The Abyss of the Void. *I know they are not a Christian band, but take a listen to those lyrics. Obviously a praise and worship song to Jesus*
Barren Cross - Just a Touch.
Sacred Warrior - Children of The Light.
Deliverance - Bought by Blood.
Deliverance - Flesh and Blood.
Mortification - Influence.
BloodGood - Eat the Flesh.
Disciple - I Just Know.
Petra - You are I AM.
Petra - All The King's Horses.
Petra - Somebody's Gonna Praise His Name.
Stryper - You Know What To Do.
Stryper - My Love will Always Show.
Gamma Ray - The Abyss of the Void. *I know they are not a Christian band, but take a listen to those lyrics. Obviously a praise and worship song to Jesus*
Barren Cross - Just a Touch.
Sacred Warrior - Children of The Light.
Deliverance - Bought by Blood.
Deliverance - Flesh and Blood.
Mortification - Influence.
BloodGood - Eat the Flesh.
Disciple - I Just Know.
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A resounding YES! Cool instrumental song, by the way. I'd have to concur with "I Am" by Theocracy, which is my favorite song.
I don't want to completely derail the conversation, but I thought of this when you said "every time" you hear a song it makes you feel God's presence. I'd like to pose a question: why or what triggers us to feel God's presence? We believe God is omnipresent, so he's there whether we feel Him or not. I'm not implying that you're saying this, but I often hear people say that a specific song is "anointed" as if it has an inherent quality that magically teleports them to God's presence. Often these people believe that only good Christians can make anointed music. It's just an overly-spiritualized way of saying "I like the song," and I don't believe that's how it works. It begs the question, what happens when you find out the song you thought was "anointed" was really a drinking song with changed lyrics? God anoints people. Music stirs emotions and sends messages, and if you accept these things with a spirit leaning towards God then you will feel Him. I sometimes praise and feel God's presence when listening to songs written by atheists.
Anyways...rant over. But yeah, too many songs to name have helped me feel God's presence. Even songs I don't actually like.
I don't want to completely derail the conversation, but I thought of this when you said "every time" you hear a song it makes you feel God's presence. I'd like to pose a question: why or what triggers us to feel God's presence? We believe God is omnipresent, so he's there whether we feel Him or not. I'm not implying that you're saying this, but I often hear people say that a specific song is "anointed" as if it has an inherent quality that magically teleports them to God's presence. Often these people believe that only good Christians can make anointed music. It's just an overly-spiritualized way of saying "I like the song," and I don't believe that's how it works. It begs the question, what happens when you find out the song you thought was "anointed" was really a drinking song with changed lyrics? God anoints people. Music stirs emotions and sends messages, and if you accept these things with a spirit leaning towards God then you will feel Him. I sometimes praise and feel God's presence when listening to songs written by atheists.
Anyways...rant over. But yeah, too many songs to name have helped me feel God's presence. Even songs I don't actually like.
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Question: How do you know it's God's presence that you are feeling? How do you know it isn't just sensationalism/emotionalism?
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Because God's presence will always lead you back to the Word. And into deeper worship.
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Neal Morse Code wrote:Because God's presence will always lead you back to the Word. And into deeper worship.
That's true.
But saying, "This particular song really makes me feel God's presence" is kinda like saying "I don't really feel God's presence unless I hear a cool song".
That sounds more like sensationalism/emotionalism, to me, than it does God's presence.
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I agree, Mortal.
Most songs stir emotions in people. That's why music is so popular.
It can make you sad over failed relationships or missed loved ones, it can make you happy. It can make you angry and rebellious, or it can make you reflect back on your life. It all depends on the emotions triggered by the song lyrics.
It also can make you reflect on the greatness of God and all that he has done and will do.
All depends on what the song is about.
That's why they have praise and worship bands in church, to use music to reach your emotions and draw you into worship
Most songs stir emotions in people. That's why music is so popular.
It can make you sad over failed relationships or missed loved ones, it can make you happy. It can make you angry and rebellious, or it can make you reflect back on your life. It all depends on the emotions triggered by the song lyrics.
It also can make you reflect on the greatness of God and all that he has done and will do.
All depends on what the song is about.
That's why they have praise and worship bands in church, to use music to reach your emotions and draw you into worship
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NoOneIsHere wrote:I agree, Mortal.
Most songs stir emotions in people. That's why music is so popular.
It can make you sad over failed relationships or missed loved ones, it can make you happy. It can make you angry and rebellious, or it can make you reflect back on your life. It all depends on the emotions triggered by the song lyrics.
It also can make you reflect on the greatness of God and all that he has done and will do.
All depends on what the song is about.
That's why they have praise and worship bands in church, to use music to reach your emotions and draw you into worship
That's the thing, though...
I don't need hypnotic type music to draw me into worship.
If a church is using hypnotic/spiritual type music to draw people into "worship", then I'm afraid it's not really real worship that they are drawing people into.
This all sounds like a spiritual realm that is not from God or the Holy Spirit.
Using music to manipulate people, and try to draw them into "worship" seems very questionable to me.
And then there are people who think that they can "usher in the Holy Spirit".
As if they can control the Holy Spirit.
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I don't think putting you into an emotional state where you are praiseful is the same as being "hypnotic". Hypnotic is being controlled or acting under instructions of another without the ability to choose for yourself. Not the same.
Music triggers emotional response, and there is nothing wrong with getting a congregation into an emotional mood that is conducive to praising God. Didn't David use music?
Whenever I have been in a church or meeting where they used the term "ushering in the Holy Spirit" it wasn't that the Holy Spirit wasn't already there and needed to be brought in, it was that the praise and worship was used to create an atmosphere where the gifts of the Holy Spirit could be manifested. Some ministers out there totally blow this though and either misphrase it or misrepresent it.
I sense a locked thread coming on...
Music triggers emotional response, and there is nothing wrong with getting a congregation into an emotional mood that is conducive to praising God. Didn't David use music?
Whenever I have been in a church or meeting where they used the term "ushering in the Holy Spirit" it wasn't that the Holy Spirit wasn't already there and needed to be brought in, it was that the praise and worship was used to create an atmosphere where the gifts of the Holy Spirit could be manifested. Some ministers out there totally blow this though and either misphrase it or misrepresent it.
I sense a locked thread coming on...
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I don't see why this thread would get locked. Has anyone here been disrespectful so far? I don't think so.
When a person is hypnotized, they are still in control of their actions. They can still choose for themselves. They are simply put into a state of mind where they are open to suggestion, and willing to act out that suggestion.
This type of hypnotism is used with music to "usher in the Holy Spirit" sometimes.
If a person's heart is not ready, or in a place to praise God, playing soft piano music isn't going to make them become ready to praise God.
Using music to try to get that person's heart to praise God doesn't seem very honest or genuine.
It seems like a manipulation. And people are calling that manipulation the "Holy Spirit".
When a person is hypnotized, they are still in control of their actions. They can still choose for themselves. They are simply put into a state of mind where they are open to suggestion, and willing to act out that suggestion.
This type of hypnotism is used with music to "usher in the Holy Spirit" sometimes.
If a person's heart is not ready, or in a place to praise God, playing soft piano music isn't going to make them become ready to praise God.
Using music to try to get that person's heart to praise God doesn't seem very honest or genuine.
It seems like a manipulation. And people are calling that manipulation the "Holy Spirit".
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QFT.Mortal wrote:NoOneIsHere wrote:I agree, Mortal.
Most songs stir emotions in people. That's why music is so popular.
It can make you sad over failed relationships or missed loved ones, it can make you happy. It can make you angry and rebellious, or it can make you reflect back on your life. It all depends on the emotions triggered by the song lyrics.
It also can make you reflect on the greatness of God and all that he has done and will do.
All depends on what the song is about.
That's why they have praise and worship bands in church, to use music to reach your emotions and draw you into worship
That's the thing, though...
I don't need hypnotic type music to draw me into worship.
If a church is using hypnotic/spiritual type music to draw people into "worship", then I'm afraid it's not really real worship that they are drawing people into.
This all sounds like a spiritual realm that is not from God or the Holy Spirit.
Using music to manipulate people, and try to draw them into "worship" seems very questionable to me.
And then there are people who think that they can "usher in the Holy Spirit".
As if they can control the Holy Spirit.
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In the video I posted earlier, JT talks about 2 people in a church one time.
The whole church was up and around hoopin' and hollerin' and dancing around, and these 2 people just sat there in the front row with tears streaming down their faces.
The pastor criticized the 2 people for not "getting into it" like the rest of the church was.
Well....The 2 people were deaf. They could not hear the music.
So if music is the thing that "ushers in the presence of the Holy Spirit",...
...what about people who can't hear the music?
The whole church was up and around hoopin' and hollerin' and dancing around, and these 2 people just sat there in the front row with tears streaming down their faces.
The pastor criticized the 2 people for not "getting into it" like the rest of the church was.
Well....The 2 people were deaf. They could not hear the music.
So if music is the thing that "ushers in the presence of the Holy Spirit",...
...what about people who can't hear the music?
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Mortal wrote:I don't see why this thread would get locked. Has anyone here been disrespectful so far? I don't think so.
When a person is hypnotized, they are still in control of their actions. They can still choose for themselves. They are simply put into a state of mind where they are open to suggestion, and willing to act out that suggestion.
This type of hypnotism is used with music to "usher in the Holy Spirit" sometimes.
If a person's heart is not ready, or in a place to praise God, playing soft piano music isn't going to make them become ready to praise God.
Using music to try to get that person's heart to praise God doesn't seem very honest or genuine.
It seems like a manipulation. And people are calling that manipulation the "Holy Spirit".
It's a fine line. True, there are churches that cross that line, doesn't mean they all do.
As for myself, I personally see nothing wrong with a little praise and worship music to refocus your thoughts onto God and all that He has done for us. That helps me enter into a praiseful mood. Again, I see nothing wrong with that. That's not the same, not even close, to being hypnotic.
But to get back to the OP...
I don't truly believe you can feel the presence of God in any music itself. I simply believe the music can stir those emotions, and make you think and reflect on God, which of course can lead to you being more aware of His presence....
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What's non-hypnotic church music sound like, Mortal? If you're sayin music that fits the appropriate mood is hypnotic than I disagree.
BTW, nowhere in the Bible does it say you can't help yourself make right decisions. I put on music in my car to focus my mind on Jesus and yes, maybe make me feel less depressed. It's a decision from a conscious mind to battle against a world where everything that is evil is glamourized. Just like Jesus says we should put up extra fences to keep from sin (the cut out your eye/hand teaching) it follows that we can also help ourselves and others through physical means to make right decisions and it's not necessarily manipulation. It's not like you have to go to a white sterilized room everytime you make a decision to get closer to God.
But yeah, the Holy Spirit is there regardless of music and manifests in power regardless. The music is for our benefit to help us be open to Him. There are always a few nut pastors though.
BTW, nowhere in the Bible does it say you can't help yourself make right decisions. I put on music in my car to focus my mind on Jesus and yes, maybe make me feel less depressed. It's a decision from a conscious mind to battle against a world where everything that is evil is glamourized. Just like Jesus says we should put up extra fences to keep from sin (the cut out your eye/hand teaching) it follows that we can also help ourselves and others through physical means to make right decisions and it's not necessarily manipulation. It's not like you have to go to a white sterilized room everytime you make a decision to get closer to God.
But yeah, the Holy Spirit is there regardless of music and manifests in power regardless. The music is for our benefit to help us be open to Him. There are always a few nut pastors though.
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Mortal wrote:In the video I posted earlier, JT talks about 2 people in a church one time.
The whole church was up and around hoopin' and hollerin' and dancing around, and these 2 people just sat there in the front row with tears streaming down their faces.
The pastor criticized the 2 people for not "getting into it" like the rest of the church was.
Well....The 2 people were deaf. They could not hear the music.
So if music is the thing that "ushers in the presence of the Holy Spirit",...
...what about people who can't hear the music?
The pastor was a jerk....it happens..lots of them out there.
But I can show you a person who is a jerk and a bad example of any profession....cops, pastors, doctors, construction workers, janitors, toll takers, lawyers....there are jerks everywhere in every profession...
Doesn't mean they are all the same or all jerks.
I don't pull my kid out of school because he had one teacher who was a jerk...yet people try to judge all ministers and pastors based off the actions of a few.
As for the deaf people, that's between God and them. I don't know the answers to that.
But should everyone stop using music because a few can't hear it?
So do we stop putting the Bible verses up on the screen because the blind can't see it?
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I'm not saying that all churches, pastors are like that.
But alot of these "megachurches" are like that, and other churches do the same thing in an attempt to be like them.
I'm trying real heard here not to give specific examples because I don't want anyone to think that I'm trying to bash individuals. I'm not.
But I very well could post examples of this type of "hypnotic music manipulation".
But alot of these "megachurches" are like that, and other churches do the same thing in an attempt to be like them.
I'm trying real heard here not to give specific examples because I don't want anyone to think that I'm trying to bash individuals. I'm not.
But I very well could post examples of this type of "hypnotic music manipulation".
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Friday13th wrote:What's non-hypnotic church music sound like, Mortal? If you're sayin music that fits the appropriate mood is hypnotic than I disagree.
It really has more to do with the intent.
If the music is being played in order to control or manipulate my emotions, it really doesn't matter what the music sounds like. I would consider it to be wrong no matter how it sounds.
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Mortal wrote:I'm not saying that all churches, pastors are like that.
But alot of these "megachurches" are like that, and other churches do the same thing in an attempt to be like them.
I'm trying real heard here not to give specific examples because I don't want anyone to think that I'm trying to bash individuals. I'm not.
But I very well could post examples of this type of "hypnotic music manipulation".
Yeah, I was talking about people in general, not you, judging pastors as a whole based off a few....
I think "rabble rousing" is more of an issue than music though. Some preachers get up there and work the congregation into a frenzy by jumping around, shouting, being very theatrical, asking for amen after every sentence, etc etc. That, to me, is a big problem. I would never go to a church like that.
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Mortal wrote:Friday13th wrote:What's non-hypnotic church music sound like, Mortal? If you're sayin music that fits the appropriate mood is hypnotic than I disagree.
It really has more to do with the intent.
If the music is being played in order to control or manipulate my emotions, it really doesn't matter what the music sounds like. I would consider it to be wrong no matter how it sounds.
I really doubt many worship leaders are thinking "Buahaha! We're going to force these dumb sheep into accepting Christ!"
Unless you go to the First Church of the Inquisition
Worship music is just a tool, bro. I play in the worship band at my church, we play little soft piano when the pastor closes, but our worship pastor always repeats "We're just here to help people feel what is truly real." For example, if we really felt how deep God's love for us is, believe me, we'd have more than weeping and shouts of Hallelujah. I know there are sensationalists that don't have the substance, but when the substance is there, the worship is just a tool to help us respond.
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Friday13th wrote:Mortal wrote:Friday13th wrote:What's non-hypnotic church music sound like, Mortal? If you're sayin music that fits the appropriate mood is hypnotic than I disagree.
It really has more to do with the intent.
If the music is being played in order to control or manipulate my emotions, it really doesn't matter what the music sounds like. I would consider it to be wrong no matter how it sounds.
I really doubt many worship leaders are thinking "Buahaha! We're going to force these dumb sheep into accepting Christ!"
Unless you go to the First Church of the Inquisition
Worship music is just a tool, bro. I play in the worship band at my church, we play little soft piano when the pastor closes, but our worship pastor always repeats "We're just here to help people feel what is truly real." For example, if we really felt how deep God's love for us is, believe me, we'd have more than weeping and shouts of Hallelujah. I know there are sensationalists that don't have the substance, but when the substance is there, the worship is just a tool to help us respond.
I'm not trying to make anyone feel guilty or that they've crossed the line. That's not my job. The Holy Spirit will do that if it is appropriate. I'm just trying to discuss a topic that I feel is important.
Did you check out the video I posted earlier about "ushering in the Holy Spirit"?
If not, check it out if you have time.
The guy in the video makes some very good points about this topic.
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There are a lot of bands God has used to minister to folks, myself included, not so sure if I'd describe it this way though...
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To be honest, I have gotten much more Gospel Messages out of Christian Metal than I ever have Church music or "Gospel Music".
Even some secular bands have much more Gospel Messages in their songs without even knowing it than what many "Gospel Music" bands have.
Even some secular bands have much more Gospel Messages in their songs without even knowing it than what many "Gospel Music" bands have.
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