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Post by MetalGospel on Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:38 am

I found out about this band a few months ago by digging through Youtube looking for forgotten ignored obscure Metal bands.

I had no clue that there was an 80's band called Incubus, or that they were Christian for that matter?

I took a listen to them for the first time just to see what they sounded like.  I was really surprised of what I heard from them.  This band is brutal.  Far heavier than Mortification, but yet it wasn't noise.

It was solid Metal through and through.  Reminded me a little bit of some early Sepultura (Schizophrenia CD) and maybe some Demolition Hammer.

But in the Christian music world, there is no comparison to this band at all.

Definitely worth checking into.   Their first album was Serpent Temptation.  It came out in the late 80's.  It only came out in tape and record formats.  It has boo-awful horrible production quality to it.  You can barely even hear the singing on it.   There was a redone version that came out in 1996 that had re-recorded singing on it that sounds much clearer than the original ever did.

80's Incubus only made 2 CDs.   Serpent Temptation and Beyond the Unknown.

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Post by sentient 6 on Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:51 am

In my opinion, the type of lyrics Incubus wrote were pretty much pseudo " Christian. " At first glance they give a appearance of being Christian, but really they are not very Biblical. You can refer to people and occurrences in the bible, and at the same time not promote the actual teaching from the Word of God. This is what I believe this band has done.

...heres a little gem from their lyrics..

" So let's destroy the devil's f**king nation "
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Post by MetalGospel on Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:58 am

I listened to both of their CDs all the way through from beginning to end.

Musically, it is amazing.  But lyrically, I got absolutely nothing out of anything they were singing.

I agree.  It sort-of reminded me of some Vengeance Rising with the lyrics.  Singing about in-general Christian themes but not really giving any Scripture or any insight in any of the songs.

For lyrics, I think I will stick with Petra, Deliverance, Stryper, and Bloodgood.

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Post by sentient 6 on Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:21 am

MetalGospel wrote:I listened to both of their CDs all the way through from beginning to end.

Musically, it is amazing.  But lyrically, I got absolutely nothing out of anything they were singing.

I agree.  It sort-of reminded me of some Vengeance Rising with the lyrics.  Singing about in-general Christian themes but not really giving any Scripture or any insight in any of the songs.

For lyrics, I think I will stick with Petra, Deliverance, Stryper, and Bloodgood.


...I agree.... Thumbs up
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Post by sentient 6 on Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:23 am

MetalGospel wrote:
 Singing about in-general Christian themes but not really giving any Scripture or any insight in any of the songs.


I would even go as far to say that some of their lyrics are anti-scriptural. In the sense they present some false ideas that goes against the clear revelation of scripture.
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Post by MetalGospel on Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:27 am

Got to admit, that might be the most brutal Christian band I have ever heard.

But lyrically, they didn't have much going on for them.

Stryper looked like bumble bees on stage and they were slowly but surely starting to go in the Pop direction around the In God We Trust days, but they had very anointed lyrics that can change people's lives. 

*Although I still can't get enough of The Yellow & Black Attack CD and Soldiers Under Command CD from them*

Just because a band is super heavy and can really shred on a guitar doesn't mean they have powerful lyrics in the songs.

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Post by sentient 6 on Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:26 pm

MetalGospel wrote:
Just because a band is super heavy and can really shred on a guitar doesn't mean they have powerful lyrics in the songs.
 Very true.
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Post by metaldude on Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:26 pm

Just a footnote on Incubus. They changed their name to Opprobrium  and released two more albums, Discerning Forces and Mandatory Evac. There was also a re-release of Serpent Temptation under the Opprobrium name.
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Post by MetalGospel on Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:16 pm

I knew they switched their name, but I didn't know they made other CDs after Beyond the Unknown CD?

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Post by xMetalMarkx on Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:37 pm

Great band!  Back when Beyond the Unknown came out I was puzzled how such lyrical content could have snuck onto a Nuclear Blast release.  It turned out later that N.B. signed some more obvious "Christian" bands.


Beyond the Unknown was also reissued as an Opprobrium title.  The remasters beat the original releases hands-down, IMHO.  The more widely available reissue of Serpent Temptation is partially re-recorded and remixed w/all new vocals.

Their lyrics evolved somewhat and were pretty solid by the time Discerning Forces came out, although a lot of people will disagree with their view on the rapture.  Mandatory Evac suffered drastically from a bad production/mix, unfortunately.

I wouldn't write them off for an occasional cuss, similarly Vomitorial Corpulence, but that's just me.
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Post by sentient 6 on Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:07 pm

metaldude wrote:Just a footnote on Incubus. They changed their name to Opprobrium  and released two more albums, Discerning Forces and Mandatory Evac. There was also a re-release of Serpent Temptation under the Opprobrium name.


If the band wanted to promote a Christian worldview, I never understood the choice of using the Incubus. A superstitious view of a demon that has sex with women ? For a " Christian " band ? scratch
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Post by sentient 6 on Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:14 pm

xMetalMarkx wrote:
I wouldn't write them off for an occasional cuss, similarly Vomitorial Corpulence, but that's just me.

If someone likes the band it probably won't matter much if they are really bent on listening to them. But for a band that may have sought to be accepted as " Christian "themed art, I would say using curse words is very poor judgment. We sometimes have double standards as Christians I think. We would never tolerate a pastor on Sunday morning in his sermon saying something to the effect of " lets destroy the f**king works of satan ! "
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Post by Friday13th on Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:55 pm

sentient 6 wrote:
metaldude wrote:Just a footnote on Incubus. They changed their name to Opprobrium  and released two more albums, Discerning Forces and Mandatory Evac. There was also a re-release of Serpent Temptation under the Opprobrium name.


If the band wanted to promote a Christian worldview, I never understood the choice of using the Incubus. A superstitious view of a demon that has sex with women ? For a " Christian " band ? scratch

You know it's in the Bible right...nephilim and all that. So now different interpretations are superstitions?  Razz I didn't like the name either, but more because I lean towards believing they existed. Yikes!
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Post by deathisgain on Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:54 pm

Friday13th wrote:
sentient 6 wrote:
metaldude wrote:Just a footnote on Incubus. They changed their name to Opprobrium  and released two more albums, Discerning Forces and Mandatory Evac. There was also a re-release of Serpent Temptation under the Opprobrium name.


If the band wanted to promote a Christian worldview, I never understood the choice of using the Incubus. A superstitious view of a demon that has sex with women ? For a " Christian " band ? scratch

You know it's in the Bible right...nephilim and all that. So now different interpretations are superstitions?  Razz I didn't like the name either, but more because I lean towards believing they existed. Yikes!

With the ongoing argument of what "Nephilim" means, it's a stretch to say that an Incubus is the same thing.
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Post by Friday13th on Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:04 pm

I never said they're the same thing, but if nephilim are what many people think (half-demon half-man) then there must have been incubuses...or is it incubi?  Laughing In that case, "sons of god" = incubuses.
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Post by xMetalMarkx on Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:12 pm

sentient 6 wrote:
xMetalMarkx wrote:
I wouldn't write them off for an occasional cuss, similarly Vomitorial Corpulence, but that's just me.

If someone likes the band it probably won't matter much if they are really bent on listening to them. But for a band that may have sought to be accepted as " Christian "themed art, I would say using curse words is very poor judgment. We sometimes have double standards as Christians I think. We would never tolerate a pastor on Sunday morning in his sermon saying something to the effect of " lets destroy the f**king works of satan ! "

I agree that it would be in poor judgment in the context you describe.  I've never known that Incubus ever set out to be categorized as "Christian" or that they were ever marketed as such.  But it's pretty evident which side the lyrics take, cussing notwithstanding.  VxCx's full length is an example of a "Christian" album w/a curse word or two.  Pale Horse also snuck an f-bomb in (even getting broadcast on Tempered Steel w/the offending word--oops!).  Both bands are still considered "Christian" by many.  Art is somewhat subjective--I avoid drawing hard lines when it comes to art and let the Spirit inform what's OK & what's poisonous for me personally--so I have no skin in the game re. how Incubus gets categorized here.  I've dug them for about 25 years...whenever I see mention of them I chime in about how good I think they are, & I think they're really worth checking out for people into brutal bands (there's another thread around here somewhere where they got discussed alongside Devastation for Christian-themed lyrics).  They never really got much attention, which is too bad considering the quality of the material.
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Post by Candlemass on Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:29 pm

Friday13th wrote:I never said they're the same thing, but if nephilim are what many people think (half-demon half-man) then there must have been incubuses...or is it incubi?  Laughing In that case, "sons of god" = incubuses.

Only superstitious folks... alien
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Post by Candlemass on Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:32 pm

Personally, I think using profanity in art profanes the art, it diminishes it's quality, many times it just sounds stupid...
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Post by sentient 6 on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:11 pm

Friday13th wrote:I never said they're the same thing, but if nephilim are what many people think (half-demon half-man) then there must have been incubuses...or is it incubi?  Laughing In that case, "sons of god" = incubuses.

Putting aside the theological truth of if there are real Incubi, the name is still inappropriate for a christian band or a band promoting a christian world view. When that band came out, I really thought that they were some kind satanic band or one that promotes a darker view of things. Just the name alone gave me that impression. I was familar with the band and the songs, but I had no idea there songs were not glorifying evil. But to be fair, I never had a lyric sheet either.
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Post by sentient 6 on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:15 pm

Friday13th wrote:
You know it's in the Bible right...nephilim and all that. So now different interpretations are superstitions?  Razz I didn't like the name either, but more because I lean towards believing they existed. Yikes!

I can't go into, but there are very sound reasons to believe that spiritual creatures can't have sex ( unless God allows such a thing to take place ). That said, what would be the difference ( in principle ) between naming your band Incubus, and say.....Lucifer ?
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Post by Friday13th on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:25 pm

sentient 6 wrote:
Friday13th wrote:
You know it's in the Bible right...nephilim and all that. So now different interpretations are superstitions?  Razz I didn't like the name either, but more because I lean towards believing they existed. Yikes!

I can't go into, but there are very sound reasons to believe that spiritual creatures can't have sex ( unless God allows such a thing to take place ). That said, what would be the difference ( in principle ) between naming your band Incubus, and say.....Lucifer ?

Unless the Bible says that they did...in that case, there are very sound reasons to believe they can!  clown
Yeah, I totally agree with the name being very questionable for a "Christian" band (which I think we all agree is not quite the case). That's what I'm saying! In fact, I think it's worse if you do think Incubuses existed because IT IS like naming your band "Demons from Hell." They wouldn't just be some fairytale villain.
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Post by Hardcore Christian on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:35 pm

Just found this thread saw the stuff about the "F" bomb

but past that HOW ARE THESE "CHRISTIAN" LYRICS?

"Alone in my house
Full of hate and fear
Your death is near
My passion for killing will take you to death
I slay a victim I torture his wife
They die by my knife
I'm coming for you
So take your last breath
The more I kill, the more the need grows
I dislodge the eyes and hack off the nose

CHORUS
I'm a sadistic sinner
I will slash you at will
It is the devil inside me
Who makes me wanna kill

Evil
And you will die by my hand
Killer
And I'll make you understand
Possessed
Just like the knife in my hand
Killer

He taunts my soul and he twists my mind
The blood of my victims is all they can find
I dismember the body as its blood is being sprayed
I gaze in splendor at the mess I have made
Cold is the blade
I carry in rage
They live in fear
My passion for killing will take you to death
My soul is a demon that no one can save
I spread my disease
I'm coming for you
So take your last breath
The more I kill, the more the need grows
I dislodge the eyes and hack off the nose

CHORUS
I'm a sadistic sinner
I will slash you at will
It is the devil inside me
Who makes me wanna kill

I'm
Sadistic
Sinner
I'll kill you slow, I'll kill you fast
I'm coming for you, I'll kick your *ss"
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Post by Friday13th on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:41 pm

^ yeah that's the song that sealed the deal for me. I mean...I can kind of understand this deranged first person take doesn't mean its what the band approves of...and no one's denying the character IS in fact a sadistic sinner controlled by the devil...but this is like slasher/horror stuff. No thanks.
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Post by Hardcore Christian on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:46 pm

Friday13th wrote: No thanks.
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Post by Hardcore Christian on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:47 pm

(Kind of joking) but that post coming from someone named Friday13th lol Very Happy
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Post by Friday13th on Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:54 pm

ugh it's a date! I don't watch no dumb horror flicks  lol!
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Post by xMetalMarkx on Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:08 am

Hardcore Christian wrote:Just found this thread saw the stuff about the "F" bomb

but past that HOW ARE THESE "CHRISTIAN" LYRICS?

"Alone in my house
Full of hate and fear
Your death is near..."
I get the point

*BUT*

to be fair, if you do a bit more homework on these guys, you'll see that this version of the album with these lyrics hasn't been available for 25 years, since the original 1988 pressing & repress 1 year later.  All subsequent reissues of Serpent Temptation from 1996-present feature entirely re-written/re-recorded lyrics/song titles on 5 of the 8 songs.  This was deliberate on the part of the band.  All of their lyrics have been purposeful since Scott Latour got booted before the 2nd album.

2008 interview with the Howard brothers in which Francis openly professes his Christianity, discusses name change, etc.:  http://www.femforgacs.hu/interview/360/Incubus_and_Opprobrium_interview
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Post by lhversaw on Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:57 pm

sentient 6 wrote:
Friday13th wrote:
You know it's in the Bible right...nephilim and all that. So now different interpretations are superstitions?  Razz I didn't like the name either, but more because I lean towards believing they existed. Yikes!

I can't go into, but there are very sound reasons to believe that spiritual creatures can't have sex ( unless God allows such a thing to take place ). That said, what would be the difference ( in principle ) between naming your band Incubus, and say.....Lucifer ?
Ummm S6 the thing is the bible DOES say that fallen angels, which is what demons ARE, took HUMAN women and had sex with them.  So unless you are more or less saying that the bible lied about that somehow your thinking that spiritual creatures can't has been proven false by the bible itself by stating that they DID.
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Post by pathogenics_cloned_twin83 on Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:21 pm

All this being said "Beyond The Unknown" is a pretty killer disc regardless...and I thought the semi-Christian slant to some of the lyrics was cool.
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Post by Friday13th on Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:30 pm

lhversaw wrote:
sentient 6 wrote:
Friday13th wrote:
You know it's in the Bible right...nephilim and all that. So now different interpretations are superstitions?  Razz I didn't like the name either, but more because I lean towards believing they existed. Yikes!

I can't go into, but there are very sound reasons to believe that spiritual creatures can't have sex ( unless God allows such a thing to take place ). That said, what would be the difference ( in principle ) between naming your band Incubus, and say.....Lucifer ?
Ummm S6 the thing is the bible DOES say that fallen angels, which is what demons ARE, took HUMAN women and had sex with them.  So unless you are more or less saying that the bible lied about that somehow your thinking that spiritual creatures can't has been proven false by the bible itself by stating that they DID.

I wouldn't say it's as obvious as all that, as I never took or even heard that interpretation till lately. Most translations say "sons of god" took human women, which has given traditionalists room to bar the idea of the incubus and make nephilim nothing more than an elite group of warriors. Put into context though, the act is itself one of the reasons God destroyed mankind in the flood, so it clearly points to an unnatural union of women and some sort of supernatural beings. The only one's we know of that are evil enough to corrupt mankind like that are demons. If you ask me, it is the prejudice of people assuming the idea of demon/humans is too outlandish. But again, you won't hear the incubus interpretation from most pastors mainly because it is a strange/scary thought and they'd rather not touch it. It's just not being given its proper consideration in most cases.
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Post by sentient 6 on Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:20 pm

lhversaw wrote:
Ummm S6 the thing is the bible DOES say that fallen angels, which is what demons ARE, took HUMAN women and had sex with them.  So unless you are more or less saying that the bible lied about that somehow your thinking that spiritual creatures can't has been proven false by the bible itself by stating that they DID.

Well, if it were allowed, I would share with you some very sound exegetical reasons why the more popular view today may not be the best.
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Post by exact33 on Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:17 pm

I like all three albums.
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