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Post by Hardcore Christian on Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:55 pm

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Post by Hardcore Christian on Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:59 pm

I'm not going to lie I voted for Released as I fell it will definitely be a blowout between Human and Once Dead

Trust me I would definitely pick Human Sacrifice if it came down to it

but Released is a close second for me because of all the legends playing on this album

Steve Rowe doing background vocals
Victor Macias on bass

and not to mention Jimmy Brown on rhythm guitar 

Destruction would be very close to Once Dead I have to say is my last choice definitely not their weakest but just not my top choice
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Post by pathogenics_cloned_twin83 on Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:49 pm

Tough call...close tie between the first album and the last. But I had to go with "Released Upon The Earth"...it may be sloppy, raw, repetitive, even the last three songs on it suck, but I just dig it. 'Help Me' is worth the price of admission alone.
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Post by Hardcore Christian on Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:37 pm

pathogenics_cloned_twin83 wrote:Tough call...close tie between the first album and the last. But I had to go with "Released Upon The Earth"...it may be sloppy, raw, repetitive, even the last three songs on it suck, but I just dig it. 'Help Me' is worth the price of admission alone.
Wow me and you are like identical in taste on that album alien
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Post by Hardcore Christian on Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:40 pm

Then theres like 8 votes with no explanation Razz
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Post by Candlemass on Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:32 pm

Once Dead
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Post by sentient 6 on Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:11 pm

A was gonna go with HS, but went with OD instead. Both are raw thrash. But Once Dead has some growth while still remaining raw.
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Post by sentient 6 on Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:14 pm

While its been a long time since i've listened to it, wasn't Released were roger was transitioning to straight-up death metal ?
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Post by Hardcore Christian on Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:20 pm

sentient 6 wrote:While its been a long time since i've listened to it, wasn't Released were roger was transitioning to straight-up death metal ?
Ya even though he obviously never finished the transition
Destruction was Speed/Thrash
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Post by bassdude on Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:28 pm

I'll go with Released......it seemed to have more groove to it, more like a Sacrament kind of feel to it.
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Post by ludey7 on Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:22 pm

IMO there are only 2 VR albums.  HS & OD are a toss up - both masterpieces.  I chose OD because I feel the writing is stronger.  I love Larry Farkus on this.  

The last 2 albums are not even close to the 1st two IMO.  Roger seemed to be phoning it in & it's definitely missing the "band " element.

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Post by Guest on Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:31 am

It was a toss up between the last 2. I went with Destruction Comes.

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Post by pathogenics_cloned_twin83 on Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:40 am

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Post by timekeeper on Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:52 am

Once Dead for me.
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Post by metaldude on Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:55 am

I chose Once Dead. VR only existed for two albums,  as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Galations6.7 on Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:54 am

Human Sacrifice, Glenn Rogers is a smoking writer
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Post by Grindboy on Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:22 am

I think Destruction Comes has a couple of nice tracks. 

I think that Released was a good album in it's day.

Human Sacrifice is classic, no doubt.

But Once Dead is my favorite -- it seems like everything that was good about HS but a little bit better in every way.  Into the Abyss > I Love Hating Evil, Out of the Will > Beheaded, etc.

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Post by d@v!d on Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:31 am

I never got around to getting DC and that's where I stopped with the band. I haven't listened to any of it since around when the came out. I remember liking OD somewhat better, but only a little more the HR.
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Post by MikeInFla on Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:39 am

Dan, were you there? Smile



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Post by cailen on Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:01 pm

Once Dead!
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Post by d@v!d on Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:26 pm

d@v!d wrote:I never got around to getting DC and that's where I stopped with the band. I haven't listened to any of it since around when the came out. I remember liking OD somewhat better, but only a little more the HR.
so, I just listened to those albums for the first time in years again. I remember how much I never liked Roger's vocals. Still don't. I think with few exceptions he held the band back.
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Post by Galations6.7 on Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:55 pm

MikeInFla wrote:Dan, were you there? Smile




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Yes, that is me in the video. Thank you for finding this. I've been looking for this for quite some time now. I knew there was footage of the whole concert floating around. Looks as if Sergio uploaded this in February of this year. 
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Post by MikeInFla on Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:55 pm

Yeah, I found the video today and will watch it later when I have a little more time.
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Post by Airola on Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:33 pm

My vote goes to Released Upon the Earth.

I haven't ever really be able to see the first two albums as great as people keep saying they are. Sure, Beheaded is one of the best songs to end any album ever, and From the Dead is amazing. Among the Dead from Once Dead is great too (I like how Roger changed his singing style in that song), but I have always felt that at least half of both of the albums is a bit on the boring side.

Destruction Comes suffers from too much repetition. Really, half of the songs have nearly exactly the same opening. He Don't Own Nothing is amazing! The drumming in this album might be the best of all of them. Chris Hyde was a very talented drummer.



Released Upon the Earth has this very strange sinister feeling throughout the whole album. Also, whenever Roger isn't growling, I think this album has his best vocal performances ever. The drumming in the album is sloppy, but it has a certain charm to it perhaps because of that sloppiness.

Tion is perhaps my all time favorite Vengeange Rising song. Which brings me to this quote:


...it may be sloppy, raw, repetitive, even the last three songs on it suck, but I just dig it.

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Tion is fantastic! Metal 1

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Post by d@v!d on Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:11 am

Galations6.7 wrote:
MikeInFla wrote:Dan, were you there? Smile




MikeInFla,
Yes, that is me in the video. Thank you for finding this. I've been looking for this for quite some time now. I knew there was footage of the whole concert floating around. Looks as if Sergio uploaded this in February of this year. 
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Were you in the band when they were using those tall demon face statues with TVs in the mouth? If so, did you play in Santa Clara?
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Post by Galations6.7 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:14 pm

d@v!d wrote:
Galations6.7 wrote:
MikeInFla wrote:Dan, were you there? Smile




MikeInFla,
Yes, that is me in the video. Thank you for finding this. I've been looking for this for quite some time now. I knew there was footage of the whole concert floating around. Looks as if Sergio uploaded this in February of this year. 
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Were you in the band when they were using those tall demon face statues with TVs in the mouth? If so, did you play in Santa Clara?
David,
Yes, I was playing during the DUMB demon head statues shows. We ALL hated them except Roger. The demon heads did NOT make it through the whole tour. And yes, I did play the Santa Clara show. We actually played 3 shows in northern CA even though my itinerary only states 2. Were you there?
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Post by d@v!d on Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:33 pm

Galations6.7 wrote:
d@v!d wrote:
Galations6.7 wrote:
MikeInFla wrote:Dan, were you there? Smile




MikeInFla,
Yes, that is me in the video. Thank you for finding this. I've been looking for this for quite some time now. I knew there was footage of the whole concert floating around. Looks as if Sergio uploaded this in February of this year. 
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Were you in the band when they were using those tall demon face statues with TVs in the mouth? If so, did you play in Santa Clara?
David,
Yes, I was playing during the DUMB demon head statues shows. We ALL hated them except Roger. The demon heads did NOT make it through the whole tour. And yes, I did play the Santa Clara show. We actually played 3 shows in northern CA even though my itinerary only states 2. Were you there?
Yes, I was there for the shows in SF at The Stone and Santa Clara at the One-Step-Beyond. My memory is foggy. If I remember right, The Blamed opened in SC that night. I was back stage because Bryan got me back there as we used to play together. I remember coming across Roger, Victor and another member drinking near-beers and I was gazing at them because I wondered what brand they were and Roger was all dude they're near-beers, no need to go report that Vengeance drinks. I thought, wow, how sad to live under so much pressure to keep appearances. I was just thinking about asking if it was a good brand.

The whole thing with the demon heads and Roger's aggressive attitude on stage threw me back a bit. I kept wondering how the demon head were supposed to mean anything. The mixed message of the gospel and I'll kick your !@# if you get in me face seemed at odds. You guys seemed so oppressed to me, like hired guns there to do a job, but not allowed to breath. A few years later when Roger fell out, it seemed to make more sense.
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Post by metalh on Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:28 pm

One of the easiest polls I've voted in recently. Human Sacrifice!

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Post by Hardcore Christian on Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:46 pm

Hardcore Christian wrote: as I feel it will definitely be a blowout between Human and Once Dead
What did I tell ya?
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Post by Machine Fish on Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:41 pm

Once Dead for me simply because of one song, Can't Get Out, which has my favorite guitar solo of all time. I've listened to hundreds of different bands I still haven't found a solo that tops it for me. Besides that OD has a lot of great songs and always makes my neck hurt for days after listening.

Released is a close second.
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Post by lhversaw on Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:27 pm

HS hands down and KERRICK IT'S TIME TO LOCK IT  Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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IBTL!  Very Happy

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Post by Hardcore Christian on Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:12 pm

Airola wrote:My vote goes to Released Upon the Earth.

I haven't ever really be able to see the first two albums as great as people keep saying they are. Sure, Beheaded is one of the best songs to end any album ever, and From the Dead is amazing. Among the Dead from Once Dead is great too (I like how Roger changed his singing style in that song), but I have always felt that at least half of both of the albums is a bit on the boring side.

Destruction Comes suffers from too much repetition. Really, half of the songs have nearly exactly the same opening. He Don't Own Nothing is amazing! The drumming in this album might be the best of all of them. Chris Hyde was a very talented drummer.



Released Upon the Earth has this very strange sinister feeling throughout the whole album. Also, whenever Roger isn't growling, I think this album has his best vocal performances ever. The drumming in the album is sloppy, but it has a certain charm to it perhaps because of that sloppiness.

Tion is perhaps my all time favorite Vengeange Rising song. Which brings me to this quote:


...it may be sloppy, raw, repetitive, even the last three songs on it suck, but I just dig it.

WHAT!?!?!? Shocked
Tion is fantastic! Metal 1
Ya looking at the tracklisting I realized my personal fave Bishop Of Souls is one of the last three, thats one of the best Thrash/Death songs of that year i guess? Laughing
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Post by oteis on Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:53 pm

Hard choice, but i went with Once Dead.
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Post by Throne of thorns on Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:55 am

DESTRUCTION COMES IS A BEAST!!!
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Post by Throne of thorns on Sat Apr 04, 2015 4:03 am

Airola wrote:My vote goes to Released Upon the Earth.

I haven't ever really be able to see the first two albums as great as people keep saying they are. Sure, Beheaded is one of the best songs to end any album ever, and From the Dead is amazing. Among the Dead from Once Dead is great too (I like how Roger changed his singing style in that song), but I have always felt that at least half of both of the albums is a bit on the boring side.

Destruction Comes suffers from too much repetition. Really, half of the songs have nearly exactly the same opening. He Don't Own Nothing is amazing! The drumming in this album might be the best of all of them. Chris Hyde was a very talented drummer.



Released Upon the Earth has this very strange sinister feeling throughout the whole album. Also, whenever Roger isn't growling, I think this album has his best vocal performances ever. The drumming in the album is sloppy, but it has a certain charm to it perhaps because of that sloppiness.

Tion is perhaps my all time favorite Vengeange Rising song. Which brings me to this quote:


...it may be sloppy, raw, repetitive, even the last three songs on it suck, but I just dig it.

WHAT!?!?!? Shocked
Tion is fantastic! Metal 1
He don't own nothing and countless corpses, are the same song Which I did not realise until someone maybe here or somewhere brought to my attention. It is a beast album it just rips right down the middle no messing around love it..
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Post by pathogenics_cloned_twin83 on Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:46 am

Might just be me, but I've always thought "Bishop Of Souls" and "You Will Be Hated" were basically the same song, different lyrics. "Tion" isn't bad, but for some reason sandwiched between those two songs, I just lose interest in those last three.
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Post by Stender on Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:20 pm

Human Sacrifice, but I haven't heard these albums in a good 3 years or so. I would be fun to go back and see if my tastes have changed at all.
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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:30 pm

They are all good albums. But I must go with the minority on this one!

Destruction Comes!

A very underrated album. Lots of grizzly thrash on that one. Sloppy and fast!!!

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:25 pm

I also voted for Destruction Comes, I could have gone with Once Dead as that was my first exposure to them and I love their Deep Purple cover.  But I think I picked DC because the last track Raegoul is one of my all time favorite Vengence Rising Tracks

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:00 pm

Aaron C wrote:I also voted for Destruction Comes, I could have gone with Once Dead as that was my first exposure to them and I love their Deep Purple cover.  But I think I picked DC because the last track Raegoul is one of my all time favorite Vengence Rising Tracks


"Raegoul" is indeed a masterpiece Thrash Metal classic! My fave track on the album as well!


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Post by Throne of thorns on Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:55 pm

High fives all round for Destruction comes. The little big thrash album that could! Amazing album.
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Post by Stender on Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:15 pm

They are all great albums that showcase a very interesting bands career. I don't understand people who say the first two are the only true albums, band personnel and situations change all the time with musicians in bands and I think each record has it's own thing going for it.

That being said, I heard human sacrifice in 2006 or 2007, almost 20 years after it came out and it was still the rawest thing I had heard from any Christian band from that era or then/now. You can make arguments that more modern death and black metal bands are more extreme, but the passion of VR in the early days to me is unmatched.
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Post by Hardcore Christian on Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:07 pm

Man I just went to get Once Dead on hardcopy (from Brent) and just listened to Can't Get Out, and boyyyyy that was BRUTAL Metal 1 Guitar guy

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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:46 pm

Throne of thorns wrote:High fives all round for Destruction comes. The little big thrash album that could! Amazing album.



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Re: If You Had To......... Vengeance (Rising) [DONT LOCK IT KERRICK]

Post by Stender on Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:59 pm

Hardcore Christian wrote:Man I just went to get Once Dead on hardcopy (from Brent) and just listened to Can't Get Out, and boyyyyy that was BRUTAL Metal 1 Guitar guy

I actually will finally own all 4 albums on hardcopy and they are all originals too
all the way back to 89 Very Happy


Good luck finding the original 'Vengeance' version of human sacrifice without the rising added to the cover for a decent price, haha.
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Re: If You Had To......... Vengeance (Rising) [DONT LOCK IT KERRICK]

Post by Hardcore Christian on Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:18 am

Stender wrote:
Hardcore Christian wrote:Man I just went to get Once Dead on hardcopy (from Brent) and just listened to Can't Get Out, and boyyyyy that was BRUTAL Metal 1 Guitar guy

I actually will finally own all 4 albums on hardcopy and they are all originals too
all the way back to 89 Very Happy
Good luck finding the original 'Vengeance' version of human sacrifice without the rising added to the cover for a decent price, haha.
It was actually my Uncle's
I love hand me downs  Very Happy

While my dad was into Bloodgood, Stryper, and Holy Soldier at the time
My Uncle was into Vengeance, Mortification, and Tourniquet
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Post by Marcus Moore on Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:11 pm

Destruction Comes..   then Once Dead, then HS and RATE.. IMO...
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Re: If You Had To......... Vengeance (Rising) [DONT LOCK IT KERRICK]

Post by Guest on Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:38 pm

Nice to see so much love for "Destruction Comes" on this board. Usually I hear a lot of badmouthing about it.

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Wow, what a nice uncle! Handing you down rare albums like that!

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