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Post by MikeInFla on Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:29 am

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Re: Michael Sweet - "We were complete morons"

Post by deathisgain on Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:25 pm

It's funny how a lot of fans see "Against the Law" differently than Michael does. When I first heard it, I loved it. It was exactly what I wanted at that time. Musically I think it is one of their tightest albums and most consistently musically.
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Re: Michael Sweet - "We were complete morons"

Post by Thiago-Brazil on Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:38 pm

I totally understand and respect Michael feelings about Against the Law. It's mainly because of what happened behind the scenes.
But, compare their behaviour, decisions regarding clothes and appearance to what musically is on the album is like comparing oranges and apples.

The album is really good and it has a great vocal work on it. Some of my favorite Stryper songs are from this album.
What can we say about that? It is some sort of magic that happens in music industry. Even though everything looks to be out of place and time a good album comes to frution.

It is a similar thing when I think of Deliverance what a joke. Even though there was a lot of fighting between jimmy and george, even though they wished to quit the label at that time and besides the jokes itself, it is a stellar album.
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Re: Michael Sweet - "We were complete morons"

Post by Erasmus on Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:34 am

deathisgain wrote:It's funny how a lot of fans see "Against the Law" differently than Michael does. When I first heard it, I loved it. It was exactly what I wanted at that time. Musically I think it is one of their tightest albums and most consistently musically.

I feel exactly the same. I really disliked the sound of IGWT but ATL was awesome.
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Re: Michael Sweet - "We were complete morons"

Post by Black Rider on Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:32 pm

Why is it bands do some of their best work when they are struggling?
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Post by bassdude on Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:04 pm

Black Rider wrote:Why is it bands do some of their best work when they are struggling?
Struggles produce strong emotions, both positive and negative, which makes for good songwriting.
ATL is very near the top of my favorite Stryper albums...great songs and very singable.
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Post by Superjuice on Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:23 pm

Against the Law is better than any of their more recent output.
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Post by Black Rider on Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:34 pm

I actually agree Superjuice, the new ones are kind of sounding alike.
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Re: Michael Sweet - "We were complete morons"

Post by eatbugs on Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:36 am

Musically it's their best 80's output.  Lyrically it's their worst.  It was the first Stryper I bought and if I didn't know they were a Christian band I wouldn't have thought it was Christian (as a teenager I had no concept of "Christians in a band").

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Post by Highway Star on Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:23 am

Superjuice wrote:Against the Law is better than any of their more recent output.

I agree, Its easily my favorite Stryper release. I must be in the minority because almost everyone else seems to love their last several albums but something just seems off or missing in their recent work to me. Maybe I’m just an old geezer stuck in the past.
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Post by jaydeecrawson on Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:00 am

Against the Law is my fav Stryper album and I have the record flat framed on my wall in my man cave

it's real, raw, ballsy, rebellious and there are some awesome songs on it

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Post by Temple of Blood on Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:25 am

Superjuice wrote:Against the Law is better than any of their more recent output.

That's my impression as well.

It seems common that artists associate their art with that time in their lives, and it colors their perception.

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Re: Michael Sweet - "We were complete morons"

Post by messiaen77 on Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:56 am

I thought maybe that was a new song from his upcoming solo album.

As for ATL, I loved that album and that was the album I listened to most during their hiatus.  I hated IGWT, but ATL sounded like the sound the rest of the hair metal world was moving toward.  Lyrically, I still heard the Christian content, but wasn't beaten over the head with it, and at that point in my life, that was what I was looking for.  I understand Michael's view on it, but I respectfully disagree.
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Post by eatbugs on Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:22 am

messiaen77 wrote:I thought maybe that was a new song from his upcoming solo album.
lol!

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Post by Follower of Jesus on Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:26 pm

I liked the songwriting on ATL but I’m not a big fan of the guitar tone. The mix was terrific; the bass really popped and gave the record some real punch. In fact, besides the guitar tone, I really like that record. It’d be interesting if they did the “Second Coming” treatment and re-recorded a lot of those songs with the right guitar tone and modern production. Here’s hoping they re-record songs from both IGWT and ATL.
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Post by Highway Star on Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:17 pm

Please,  NO modern production
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Re: Michael Sweet - "We were complete morons"

Post by Airola on Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:41 pm

For me Against the Law was a disappointment. Not because of lyrics. Not because of the sound. Not because of their looks. I just didn't care for most of the songs.

I've always loved In God We Trust and I loved how that album had super catchy tunes almost constantly from the beginning to the end. There might've been some boring ones here and there but it had great songs in the beginning, in the middle and in the end. Against the Law only caught my attention with the last three songs. The eight songs before the last three did nothing for me. I think I've grown to like some of them but I don't really love any of them. The last three are amazing though and they redeem the whole album.

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Re: Michael Sweet - "We were complete morons"

Post by MikeInFla on Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:31 pm

Against The Law has always been my favorite album by them. I also listened to this most during the hiatus. But I love the new stuff as well. I didn't mind the change in direction or image at all on Against The Law. It was still just Stryper to me. Still a positive message and still rockin' songs.
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Re: Michael Sweet - "We were complete morons"

Post by bigtreads on Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:49 am

Airola wrote:For me Against the Law was a disappointment. Not because of lyrics. Not because of the sound. Not because of their looks. I just didn't care for most of the songs.

I've always loved In God We Trust and I loved how that album had super catchy tunes almost constantly from the beginning to the end. There might've been some boring ones here and there but it had great songs in the beginning, in the middle and in the end. Against the Law only caught my attention with the last three songs. The eight songs before the last three did nothing for me. I think I've grown to like some of them but I don't really love any of them. The last three are amazing though and they redeem the whole album.

my thoughts exactly
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Post by mr.electric40 on Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:56 pm

I agree with everything in this thread.... ATL was one of their best albums... period..
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Post by Driven on Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:35 pm

eatbugs wrote:
messiaen77 wrote:I thought maybe that was a new song from his upcoming solo album.
lol!

Comment of the day, I have to say.
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Post by Bought4Life on Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:53 pm

That interview was a good read and something I had missed..thanks for sharing...even if I am a little late seeing it.

Even though I bought ATL when it came out, I was not a huge fan of it back then because it, along with other stories, made it seem like they were leaving the faith.

Today, I love the album, and there are about 3 songs on it that I rank among my all time favorite by them.

With that being said, I still place it just behind a few other Stryper albums.

NMHTP
Murder By Pride
Soldiers Under Command
THWTD

Those 4 are my favorites (at this moment, at least...ask me next week maybe my mood will change.lol)....ATL slides in right behind them.
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Post by Follower of Jesus on Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:25 am

I didn't really go for God Damn Evil as it just sounds too by-the-numbers. But I love No More Hell To Pay and Fallen, and I think both rank right up there with anything from the old days. But I also still really enjoy ATL. I hear Michael's heart in what he's saying about that time in his and the band's life, and for him, that album will never hold any special place. But for fans who don't have the emotional baggage the band does, it's a terrific record.
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Re: Michael Sweet - "We were complete morons"

Post by Pro-Zak on Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:19 am

Highway Star wrote:
Superjuice wrote:Against the Law is better than any of their more recent output.

I agree, Its easily my favorite Stryper release. I must be in the minority because almost everyone else seems to love their last several albums but something just seems off or missing in their recent work to me. Maybe I’m just an old geezer stuck in the past.

I do not agree, I consider NMHTP to be way better! I think ATL is a good album, better than the previous one, but more towards the bottom of their discovery for me.
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Post by Frozen Fire on Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:48 pm

This may sound odd, given that the last three tracks on Against the Law are great classic metal tracks and 3 of the best tracks of their career but the album is too "hair metal" for me. Too many wimpy, poppy, groovy songs about women. It's 5 of the 11 tracks. It's heavily focused that way and the lyrics are less meaningful in that regard and more frivolous. Musicianship is outstanding, the style change was interesting (a lot more groove) and the songwriting is pretty solid. Never the less, songs like "Two Time Woman" "Not That Kind of Guy" "Lady" "Ordinary Man" "Two Bodies" do nothing for me. I don't like the cover of "Shining Star" either. It's actually a great cover version but I don't like the song in the first place. It just takes a song I don't like and makes it mildly listenable and a somewhat curious novelty.

If it weren't for the last three tracks and, to some degree, the title track I would never play the album.

Love the last three albums. I rank them with To Hell With The Devil and Soldiers. Always loved the band's more metal side and have enjoyed that with the last 3 albums.
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Post by strype53 on Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:08 pm

My thoughts on ATL:  I was super upset when it first came out.  I had been defending them to everybody that kept saying they were not a Christian band. It was all just a gimmick.  I told everyone they were the real deal.  Then ATL came out and their video had girls in it and everyone was saying to me, I told you so.  I was upset, because it did not help me defend them.  However, I bought the album, because I was a Stryper fan.  That is what we do, even when we don't like the decisions they make (aka dumb album titles, dumb album covers, and youtube video documentary videos acting like there were only three band members instead of four). I liked the album and the songs, except Lady (Hated it). Love Rock the Hell out of You!  I mis-interpreted the Against the Law song. I took it as they were against God.  I think many people did.  I agree with Michael that they were acting like morons during this time.  In all of their interviews back then they were acting like wannabe hardcore bad boys. It was laughable.  I cringe even today when I watch their interviews during this time.  I did not really come back around to them as a fan, until Can't Stop the Rock album. I chose not to go to a Stryper concert in my town, because I was mad at them. I walked into the restroom in the mall and two guys were in there painting their faces yellow and black about to go to the Stryper concert. I felt like I was missing out. This caused me to rethink my fandom ha.  Have been to more concerts than I can remember.  4 times on the GDE tour.  I do like that ATL had all four original members on them.  Tim was allowed to play on the album as well. It makes me laugh when Michael says they are in a better place on the GDE album. The lyrics come across to me as being bitter and angry on many of the songs.  Aka sorry (which is probably my favorite song on the album), You Don't even Know Me, and Own up all seem angry to me.  I own everything every put out by them solo or as a group.  Fallen and No More Hell to Pay were great albums.  I like songs on GDE, but overall I would rank ATL above it. I am happy they are still putting out music and will still buy everything. I buy almost all of their memorabilia I can find. I probably could open up a mini Stryper museum.  I have quite a bit of cool stuff I have collected from them over the years. Currently waiting on the devotional book as we speak.  However, I did not buy much stuff from the last album, cause I am not going to wear a shirt that has GDE on it.  This topic and the responses were interesting to me, so I thought I would chime in!  I really miss when this message board was super active. I used to post all the time.  Glad to see it is still going!   Rockin Loud
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Re: Michael Sweet - "We were complete morons"

Post by Bought4Life on Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:23 pm

Great post, strype53!

You know, you're right about the bitterness creeping into their music....

Not to defend Michael, but I will say that it has to be hard to deal with the people on social media like he has to. So many people attack him over every little thing, it's got to take its toll after a while.

Anyway..loved your comments. Thanks for the read.
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Post by Opeth3232 on Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:54 am

Airola wrote:For me Against the Law was a disappointment. Not because of lyrics. Not because of the sound. Not because of their looks. I just didn't care for most of the songs.

I've always loved In God We Trust and I loved how that album had super catchy tunes almost constantly from the beginning to the end. There might've been some boring ones here and there but it had great songs in the beginning, in the middle and in the end. Against the Law only caught my attention with the last three songs. The eight songs before the last three did nothing for me. I think I've grown to like some of them but I don't really love any of them. The last three are amazing though and they redeem the whole album.
I love that album too. There was some cheese on it though for me that gets an instant skip. Come To The Everlife oh my gawd
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Post by Opeth3232 on Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:07 am

strype53 wrote:My thoughts on ATL:  I was super upset when it first came out.  I had been defending them to everybody that kept saying they were not a Christian band. It was all just a gimmick.  I told everyone they were the real deal.  Then ATL came out and their video had girls in it and everyone was saying to me, I told you so.  I was upset, because it did not help me defend them.  However, I bought the album, because I was a Stryper fan.  That is what we do, even when we don't like the decisions they make (aka dumb album titles, dumb album covers, and youtube video documentary videos acting like there were only three band members instead of four). I liked the album and the songs, except Lady (Hated it). Love Rock the Hell out of You!  I mis-interpreted the Against the Law song. I took it as they were against God.  I think many people did.  I agree with Michael that they were acting like morons during this time.  In all of their interviews back then they were acting like wannabe hardcore bad boys. It was laughable.  I cringe even today when I watch their interviews during this time.  I did not really come back around to them as a fan, until Can't Stop the Rock album. I chose not to go to a Stryper concert in my town, because I was mad at them. I walked into the restroom in the mall and two guys were in there painting their faces yellow and black about to go to the Stryper concert. I felt like I was missing out. This caused me to rethink my fandom ha.  Have been to more concerts than I can remember.  4 times on the GDE tour.  I do like that ATL had all four original members on them.  Tim was allowed to play on the album as well. It makes me laugh when Michael says they are in a better place on the GDE album. The lyrics come across to me as being bitter and angry on many of the songs.  Aka sorry (which is probably my favorite song on the album), You Don't even Know Me, and Own up all seem angry to me.  I own everything every put out by them solo or as a group.  Fallen and No More Hell to Pay were great albums.  I like songs on GDE, but overall I would rank ATL above it. I am happy they are still putting out music and will still buy everything. I buy almost all of their memorabilia I can find. I probably could open up a mini Stryper museum.  I have quite a bit of cool stuff I have collected from them over the years. Currently waiting on the devotional book as we speak.  However, I did not buy much stuff from the last album, cause I am not going to wear a shirt that has GDE on it.  This topic and the responses were interesting to me, so I thought I would chime in!  I really miss when this message board was super active. I used to post all the time.  Glad to see it is still going!   Rockin Loud
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Post by strype53 on Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:19 pm

Interviews from during this time:  They were acting like they were hardcore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeyK0CsiTQ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKRnjcTJ7rI&list=RDDKRnjcTJ7rI&start_radio=1&t=9&t=9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLoFSmYzes0
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Re: Michael Sweet - "We were complete morons"

Post by Bought4Life on Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:44 pm

strype53 wrote:Interviews from during this time:  They were acting like they were hardcore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeyK0CsiTQ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKRnjcTJ7rI&list=RDDKRnjcTJ7rI&start_radio=1&t=9&t=9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLoFSmYzes0


The Rick Dees interview is interesting...

I had gotten into Christian rock / metal in 1980, but by 1989 I was starting to listen to just secular hair bands (which is why I missed bands like Crystavox the first time around). Stryper was the lone exception....but when ATL came out I was disappointed because it wasn't "Stryper-like". That was the last "Christian" album I bought for a couple of decades.

Anyway, I never knew they outright said they were "now a secular band."

Since they had started to party hard at that time, and since you can only serve one master, moving away from Christian music and the yellow and black (which symbolized their Christian roots) was inevitable.

Yet within a couple of years Michael would be appearing on TBN..lol
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Post by oldschooldoom on Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:34 am

Bought4Life wrote:Great post, strype53!

You know, you're right about the bitterness creeping into their music....

Not to defend Michael, but I will say that it has to be hard to deal with the people on social media like he has to. So many people attack him over every little thing, it's got to take its toll after a while.
 
Including here at The Realm. No wonder I haven't seen him post here for awhile.
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Post by Bought4Life on Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:52 am

oldschooldoom wrote:
Bought4Life wrote:Great post, strype53!

You know, you're right about the bitterness creeping into their music....

Not to defend Michael, but I will say that it has to be hard to deal with the people on social media like he has to. So many people attack him over every little thing, it's got to take its toll after a while.
 
Including here at The Realm. No wonder I haven't seen him post here for awhile.
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Yeah, there was a time when certain musicians would stop by and they would get a ton of negativity from the group.

I think the only one from that group who still pops in now and then is Ted.
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Post by MikeInFla on Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:53 pm

We did have Joshua show up here a few months ago to go on a rant on several topics only to disappear. I shouldn't have posted that now he will come here and attack me and honestly I have never heard a single song of his and don't know much about him at all. I guess he did what he felt like he had to do.

Richard Lynch used to post as well haven't seen him on here in ages either.

Want Michael to come back? Have Cliffy post a Stryper link and he'll be back Smile
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Post by WildWorld on Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:14 pm

Personally, I think ATL still had Christian themes, it was just more subtle. They were dealing with themes that Christians had to deal with in their lives (for example, Two Time Woman was about Adultery (or at least infidelity), Two Bodies was about Marriage, Not That Kind of Guy was about virginity). If anything, it's more "mature" than their 80s albums.

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Post by Bought4Life on Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:27 pm

MikeInFla wrote:We did have Joshua show up here a few months ago to go on a rant on several topics only to disappear. I shouldn't have posted that now he will come here and attack me and honestly I have never heard a single song of his and don't know much about him at all. I guess he did what he felt like he had to do.


He's like Beetlejuice...he only shows up when he's mentioned 3x by the same person
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Re: Michael Sweet - "We were complete morons"

Post by strype53 on Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:16 pm

I remember the days of all the artists posting on here back in the day.  I guess Facebook keeps that from happening.  Or maybe they lost their motivation when the old Christian Metal Forum closed and it had to be restarted and they lost all of their post counts they had built up.  Ha I hated starting over!
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Re: Michael Sweet - "We were complete morons"

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