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Post by Contrarian Deist Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:42 am

Inspired by UltraMagnus thread in the secular metal forum, same game but with Christian bands instead

To paraphrase Ultra. I will start by mentioning a band and their best and worst albums, then the following person also does their best and worst from that band and then adds a band of their choosing best and worst, then the next person does the same, and to make it longer and longer as we go along each successive person does every band before in order and then adds their own. Best/favorite, Worst/least favorite

I'll start.

MORTIFICATION
Best album- Scrolls of the megilloth/Post Momentary Affliction(tie)
Worst album- Triumph of mercy

Now the next person do your best/fave and worst/least fave from Mortification and then do another band of your choosing...and the next person follow do the same...

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P.S. you can post more than once, just wait till at least a few other people have responded between your last response first🤔


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Post by Pethead Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:54 am

Mortification:

Best: Scrolls of the Megilloth/Post Momentary Affliction (tie)
Worst: Scribe of the Pentateuch 

Extol:

Best: Undeceived 
Worst: Blueprint
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Mortification

Best - Post Momentary Affliction
Worst - Triumph Of Mercy


Extol

Best - Burial
Worst - Blueprint


Bride

Best - Silence Is Madness
Worst - Fistful Of Bees

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Post by Fundy Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:44 am

Mortification

Best - Relentless
Worst - Triumph Of Mercy


Extol

Best - Burial
Worst - Blueprint


Bride

Best - Silence Is Madness
Worst - The Jesus Experience


Theocracy

Best - As The World Bleeds
Worst - S/T
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Post by CrimsonWarrior Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:10 pm

Theocracy

Best - Ghost Ship
Worst - s/t



Antestor

Best - Omen
Worst - The Return of the Black Death
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Post by Constantine Sat Dec 26, 2020 3:45 pm

Antestor

Best - The Forsaken
Worst - The Return of the Black Death


Mortification

Best - Mortification
Worst - The Evil Addiction Destroying Machine (horrible!)


Extol

Best - Synergy
Worst - Mesmerized E.P.


Bride

Best - Live To Die
Worst - A few, but I'll go with The Jesus Experience


Theocracy

Best - As The World Bleeds
Worst - S/T


Sacred Warrior

Best - Obsessions (but hard to choose, 1st 4 are all great)
Worst - Waiting In Darkness (title track great, everything else...ugh)
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Post by Contrarian Deist Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:29 pm

Woh! I gotta interject Constantine and Crimson Warrior .Return of the black death rules! Honestly as a non-Christian to this day I say that album, is one if the best BM albums of all time....Christian or *secular*..
Lol! Oh well, different strokes for different folks I guess. Just hadda say that.
Carry on 😊

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Post by Livna Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:06 pm

Mortification 

Best: Scrolls Of The Megilloth
Worst : The Silver Cord Is Severed

Bride

Best: Live To Die
Worst: Fistful Of Bees

Stryper 

Best: Soldiers Under Command
Worst: Reborn

Deliverance

Best: Weapons Of Our Warfare
Worst: Learn
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Post by CrimsonWarrior Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:06 pm

Contrarian Deist wrote:Woh! I gotta interject Constantine and Crimson Warrior .Return of the black death rules! Honestly as a non-Christian to this day I say that album, is one if the best BM albums of all time....Christian or *secular*..
Lol! Oh well, different strokes for different folks I guess. Just hadda say that.
Carry on 😊
I do like The Return of the Black Death, but I think it's Antestor's weakest album. I also think The Forsaken is a little overrated and considered choosing that as the worst one. It was also a toss-up between Martyrium and Omen for the best one for me, but ultimately I picked Omen.
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Post by Kerrick Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:12 pm

I'm kinda surprised to see Antestor's Return... so low on so many lists too!  I really dig it.  I'd have a hard time picking a "worst" album since all of theirs are pretty good IMO, though I find myself listening to Omen probably the least.

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Post by Constantine Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:21 pm

I listened to much of all 4 Antestor albums over the weekend. I was considering changing the best one to Omens, but I'd say it's a toss-up between that one and The Forsaken. They both have their strong points and weak points. I still think Return of the Black Death is the weakest one though.
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Post by Contrarian Deist Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:09 pm

DELIVERANCE
I agree with Livnas picks.

LIVING SACRIFICE
Best- Inhabit/conceived in fire(tie, for different reasons)
Worst- Reborn(not a terrible album, but after Inhabit...to this metalcore all of a sudden was a shock and disappointment. And its not as good as their next couple metalcore albums afterwards which were much better as a result of perfecting that style)
(I'm only familiar w/their first 6 albums though)

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Post by Guest Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:25 pm

Sacred Warrior

Best - Wicked Generation
Worst - Waiting In Darkness



Stryper

Best - Soldiers Under Command
Worst - Reborn



Deliverance

Best - Weapons Of Our Warfare
Worst - Hear What I Say



Living Sacrifice

Best - Inhabit
Worst - The Hammering Process



Saint

Best - Too Late For Living
Worst - The Perfect Life

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Post by stevegarveyfan Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:00 pm

Mortification
Best: Post Momentary Affliction
Worst: The Silver Cord Is Severed

Sacred Warrior
Best: Wicked Generation
Worst: Waiting in Darkness (worst only relative to their previous four stellar albums)

Stryper
Best: Against the Law
Worst: Reborn

Deliverance
Best: Weapons of Our Warfare
Worst: River Disturbance

Living Sacrifice
Best: Living Sacrifice
Worst: Conceived in Fire

Seventh Angel
Best: Lament for the Weary
Worst: The Dust of Years
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Post by Guest Sat Jan 02, 2021 8:25 am

Seventh Angel

Best: Lament For The Weary
Worst: The Dust Of Years (still awesome though)



Vengeance Rising

Best : Human Sacrifice
Worst: Destruction Comes

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Post by ThomasEversole Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:47 am

Kerrick wrote:I'm kinda surprised to see Antestor's Return... so low on so many lists too!  I really dig it.

I'm also surprised to see Return of the Black Death being listed as Antestor's "worst".

To me, not only is it their best album, but its the only album of theirs that is ACTUALLY black metal. (whereas my theory would be, folks don't really like REAL black metal as much as they do death/black/doom hybrids, hence why they prefer the other Antestor albums.)
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Post by Constantine Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:34 pm

Catching up:

Stryper 

Best: To Hell With The Devil

Worst:  Reborn  


Deliverance

Best: Deliverance / Learn (tie)
Worst: Camelot In Smithereens



Living Sacrifice

Best - Living Sacrifice
Worst - The Hammering Process


Seventh Angel


Best: Lament For The Weary
Worst: Heed The Warning Demo & Live Recordings 


Vengeance Rising


Best : Human Sacrifice
Worst: Destruction Comes



I skipped Saint because I'm not familiar with all their albums...


New ones:
 

The Brave

Best:  Battle Cries
Worst:  Rise


Guardian

Best:  Miracle Mile / First Watch (tie)
Worst:  Buzz 



...Again, regarding Antestor, all of their albums are good and I would not say any of them are "bad" in any way.  They are not like some bands who clearly have a "bad" album or two.  I just don't find "Return" as interesting as the others.   Maybe I've just heard that sound and style so much already and because I came to hear that album late in the game, it just didn't engage me like the others.  As far as preferring hybrids, I would not say that's true as a general rule but I certainly am open to them. 


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Post by ThomasEversole Sat Jan 02, 2021 2:43 pm

I've been considering Martyrium to be their first album, since it was recorded in 1994, and Return of the Black Death was recorded after and came out 1998. It is odd to me that they went from doom/death/black for that, then black metal for Return, then Det Tapte Liv, The Forsaken and Omen have death metal elements.

...then again, when I saw Antestor in 1999 at Cornerstone, they were heartbroken about how Cacophonous Records treated them. It made me wonder if they would switch gears musically to fit another label's genres, and it sure seems like it to me.
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Post by Constantine Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:25 pm

Oops, you are right, Martyrium originally came out in 1994, before Return.  I edited my error.
Back in the day, I think it's fair to say that the 1st time many of us heard of the band was due to "Return."  
So I always think of that as their debut.  But it is notable how the styles changed so much between albums.
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Post by CrimsonWarrior Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:36 pm

Yeah like Constantine said I don't think that Return is a bad album by any means...I just think I enjoy the other three more. (The Forsaken only barely more than Return though.) I think each album has a pretty distinct sound; the band evolved a lot over time. I really hope we'll get to hear another one from them...it's been close to a decade since Omen was first released.
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Post by Opeth3232 Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:32 am

Stryper 

Best: THWTD Worst:  ATL


Deliverance

Best: Self Titled 
Worse Learn


Living Sacrifice

Best - Living Sacrifice
Worst - The Hammering Process


Seventh Angel

Best: Dust Of Years
Worst: Heed The Warning Demo was bad!


Vengeance Rising


Best : Human Sacrifice
Worst: Once Dead 


Guardian

Best:   First Watch 
Worst:  Buzz  and Swing Swang Swung


Antestor Best Martyrium 
Worse The Defeat Of Satan

Mortification Best Envision Evangeline
Worse In The Realms of such and such


Crimson Moonlight Best Eternal Emperor
Worse Veil Of Remembrance 


Biogenesis  Best A Decadence  Divine 
Worse Black Widow


Far Beyond Best An Angel's Requiem 
Worse A Frozen Flame Of Ice
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Post by Superjuice Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:49 pm

UltraMagnus wrote:
Living Sacrifice

Best - Inhabit
Worst - The Hammering Process

Hope no one takes this wrong, but The Hammering Process is my favorite Living Sacrifice.  The tribal drums really added another dimension to the music and made up for the one-dimensional vocals of Fitzhugh.  There's some really fantastic, instense songs on here like Bloodwork, Flatline, Hand of the Dead, Perfect, and Hidden.  It's got groove and that's what the other albums lacked.  There's also some really brilliant guitar solo'ing by Rocky Gray that goes underappreciated.  That being said I am not the biggest extreme metal fan around here and IMO there is too much of it.  To the point where you say 'metal' people just think of some brutal metal song they heard and found it very alienating.

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Living Sacrifice
Best: Living Sacrifice
Worst: Conceived in Fire

That's more like it.  CIF sounds rather uninspired to me and the songs don't differentiate themselves.  This was one of the last extreme albums I ever bought, since I thought 'why am I buying cds on a genre I enjoy less than trad metal and prog metal?'  The well was dry for classic metal for a long time, so I invested into hardcore and death cds to fill the void but, by this time, real metal Razz (classic) started to pick back up so that was when I decided my cash only goes to the genres and subgenres I thoroughly enjoy rather than keep up with the Joneses.

Constantine wrote:Living Sacrifice

Best - Living Sacrifice
Worst - The Hammering Process

once again.  Metal purists hate the Hammering.

Opeth3232 wrote:Stryper 

Best: THWTD Worst:  ATL

Unless your talking about the lyrics, that's insane to me.  Usually once people give ATL a chance it goes near the top of the list. Musically speaking it's a solid, focused piece of work.  The ambition on the album really shows out and it probably broke the band to see their efforts go unrewarded to the fanbase.  However, the super-poppy IGWT did them in as they would not be able to satisfy these new fans with a solid piece of rock.  They should have never gone with the producer of IGWT since he just did all pop artists in his past.
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Post by Guest Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:05 pm

Superjuice wrote:
UltraMagnus wrote:
Living Sacrifice

Best - Inhabit
Worst - The Hammering Process

Hope no one takes this wrong, but The Hammering Process is my favorite Living Sacrifice.  The tribal drums really added another dimension to the music and made up for the one-dimensional vocals of Fitzhugh.  There's some really fantastic, instense songs on here like Bloodwork, Flatline, Hand of the Dead, Perfect, and Hidden.  It's got groove and that's what the other albums lacked.  There's also some really brilliant guitar solo'ing by Rocky Gray that goes underappreciated.  That being said I am not the biggest extreme metal fan around here and IMO there is too much of it.  To the point where you say 'metal' people just think of some brutal metal song they heard and found it very alienating.

Hey, no need to explain. You like what you like! I agree with you on the metal thing. I've gone through the same thing with people automatically thinking metalcore is metal (it's not) and traditional/classic metal is hard rock. It's annoying.

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Post by Contrarian Deist Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:31 pm

Metalcore IS *Metal*, its cross over, but its still *metal*. To say bands like Suicidal Tendencies(hard-core/ thrash cross over) and later heavier Metalcore like say Hatebreed...aren't *metal* is absurd. Its like those who claim deathcore isn't death metal or isnt metal at all, or the heavier nu-metal bands like say Mudvayne, etc, arenr *metal*, its an argument without a sound logical basis, it's emotional pseudo-elitist tripe.
I say this as one who doesn't even like most of it personally(some is ok. And certainly I love Suicidal of course), a traditional metalhead who would be classified in the trad metal elite Fandom.

As for classical metal and hard rock. Well, there are a few bands that fit both labels. Depends on the Era to some extent. In 70s heavy metal was what would be later called hard rock and classic rock...in some cases anyhow. There is overlap in some. Not all, but some.
And bands like say AC/DC and Van Halen and Scorpions are both hard rock and heavy rock(just bordering on metal in some songs/albums)

Its the same as when people,e say Slipknot was/is a *nu-metal* band(and therefore to be dismissed as not real metal). Again, with no rational argument based in logic or fact, just poser hunting pseudo elitist b.s.

Anyways, got off topic a bit there. Sorry.
Metalcore IS a valid form of *metal*
I don't like much of it or listen to much of it, though some is OK or good IMO, but I still acknowledge....it IS a form of *metal*.

Oh and lastly, though I'm partial to Inhabit(living sacs DM years)...I thought Hammering Process was a pretty good album, though I liked Concievec in fire a bit more even.
I think on their first 3 or 4 albums Living Sacrifice were experimenting trying to find themselves and copying others without having any originaliyu(or much Anyhow)...to their credit I think they really found their sound around reborn and perfected it on hammering and conceived, and they were one of the earliest bands to help initiate that sound or subgenre(not THE first/earliest, but among the first/earliest)....which helped spearhead a particular sound
I didn't care much for reborn, but the following two albums were pretty good.

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Post by Guest Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:53 pm

Contrarian Deist wrote:Metalcore IS *Metal*, its cross over, but its still *metal*. To say bands like Suicidal Tendencies(hard-core/ thrash cross over) and later heavier Metalcore like say Hatebreed...aren't *metal* is absurd. Its like those who claim deathcore isn't death metal or isnt metal at all, or the heavier nu-metal bands like say Mudvayne, etc,  arenr *metal*, its an argument without a sound logical basis, it's emotional pseudo-elitist tripe.
I say this as one who doesn't even like most of it personally(some is ok. And certainly I love Suicidal of course), a traditional metalhead who would be classified in the trad metal elite Fandom.

As for classical metal and hard rock. Well, there are a few bands that fit both labels. Depends on the Era to some extent. In 70s heavy metal was what would be later called hard rock and classic rock...in some cases anyhow. There is overlap in some. Not all, but some.
And bands like say AC/DC and Van Halen and Scorpions are both hard rock and heavy rock(just bordering on metal in some songs/albums)

Its the same as when people,e say Slipknot was/is a *nu-metal* band(and therefore to be dismissed as not real metal). Again,  with no rational argument based in logic or fact,  just poser hunting pseudo elitist b.s.

Anyways, got off topic a bit there. Sorry.
Metalcore IS a valid form of *metal*
I don't like much of it or listen to much of it, though some is OK or good IMO,  but I still acknowledge....it IS a form of *metal*.

Oh and lastly, though I'm partial to Inhabit(living sacs DM years)...I thought Hammering Process was a pretty good album, though I liked Concievec in fire a bit more even.
I think on their first 3 or 4 albums Living Sacrifice were experimenting trying to find themselves and copying others without having any originaliyu(or much Anyhow)...to their credit I think they really found their sound around reborn and perfected it on hammering and conceived, and they were one of the earliest bands to help initiate that sound or subgenre(not THE first/earliest, but among the first/earliest)....which helped spearhead a particular sound
I didn't care much for reborn,  but the following two albums were pretty good.

Not elitist at all. I'm talking about people who think that metalcore IS traditional metal when it's not.

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