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Post by johnnycanuck on Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:37 pm

I posted on Ted Kirkpatrick's Vegan facebook page that Jesus was not a Vegan. That Jesus ate the Passover Lamb at the Last Supper and probably several years with His family. He also ate fish and although not a lot is written about His diet, it is obvious that the times that He ate meals with publicans and sinners, He ate meat. He was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world and in Redemption History, Jehovah commanded His people to offer up animal sacrifices for atonement for their sins. I mentioned that Cain's offering was not pleasing in God's sight as it was a vegan offering whereas Abel's was: which led to Cain murdering Abel.

Not only was Jesus not a Vegan, he providentially allowed His disciples to catch so many fish on several occasions, that their nets were full to breaking. Not only that, He feed thousands of people fish on two occasions. 

After His resurrection, He cooked fish for His disciples who were fishing and He ate fish in front of them to prove to them that He was not a ghost. I ended it with some verses found in Romans 14:1-4

(Rom 14:1)  Accept anyone who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of arguing over differences of opinion.
(Rom 14:2)  One person believes that he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables.
(Rom 14:3)  The person who eats any kind of food must not ridicule the person who does not eat them, and the person who does not eat certain foods must not criticize the person who eats them, for God has accepted him.
(Rom 14:4)  Who are you to criticize someone else's servant? He stands or falls before his own Lord--and stand he will, because the Lord makes him stand.
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Post by Wildcat on Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:16 pm

I don't agree with Ted's vegan/animal rights stance either, but were you really expecting any kind of productive outcome from doing that? People rarely if ever change their deeply held beliefs just because a stranger challenged them over the internet.
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Post by alldatndensum on Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:38 pm

Ted should have a bit thicker skin when it comes to this as whether you eat meat or not is a non-salvation issue.  Being a vegan or being an omnivore isn't what gets us to Heaven.  At best, if he didn't want this on the page, was to just simply delete your post.
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Post by Hardcore Christian on Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:08 am

Yea doing stuff like this over the internet, is probably the least likely way to change someones mind
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Post by Andreas89 on Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:01 am

But that doesn't mean that Ted is behaving correctly. Not at all, I'd say.
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Post by ImagoDei on Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:09 am

Unfortunately in my experience, most vegans can't agree to disagree. They usually resort to name calling, and demonizing, and sometimes even violence if you don't agree with them. They are not open for discussion and you can't reason with them. Has to be one of the most annoying groups of people on the planet- as bad as social justice warriors-not for their beliefs but how they go about it and react. I'm all for fair treatment of animals and don't feel that factory farming is good, but you don't have to go hardline vegan to support such things. Not saying Ted is necessarily this way, but find a vegan and see if you can have a rational discussion with him and not end up with name calling and ridiculous accusations on his part. Good luck, murderer.

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Post by Andreas89 on Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:22 am

Ha! There's one or two things to say about veganism. I won't indulge too much in going off topic, but it's predicated on the idea (among others) that animals have intrinsic value. It's always the human (more specifically, the vegan) who bestows this value on the animal. It is a "godly" act in the sense that WE determine something about the animals. This is where I flip things around: we are masters of the animals, both factually and morally. So we can eat them when we please, why not?

And I choose NOT to eat my dogs, because I like them. My decision.

TL;DR: we are masters over animals, simple as that.
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Post by H.M. Murdock on Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:32 pm

Yesterday's news. I lost interest in TQT a long time ago.
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Post by d@v!d on Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:56 pm

ImagoDei wrote:Unfortunately in my experience, most vegans can't agree to disagree. They usually resort to name calling, and demonizing, and sometimes even violence if you don't agree with them. They are not open for discussion and you can't reason with them. Has to be one of the most annoying groups of people on the planet- as bad as social justice warriors-not for their beliefs but how they go about it and react. I'm all for fair treatment of animals and don't feel that factory farming is good, but you don't have to go hardline vegan to support such things. Not saying Ted is necessarily this way, but find a vegan and see if you can have a rational discussion with him and not end up with name calling and ridiculous accusations on his part. Good luck, murderer.
What you say reminds me of this funny by JP Sears.
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Post by sentient 6 on Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:49 pm

Cool  lol!
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Post by sentient 6 on Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:53 pm

johnnycanuck wrote:I posted on Ted Kirkpatrick's Vegan facebook page that Jesus was not a Vegan.

Who was claiming that ? Is that Teds belief ? I honestly don't know. Because if so, that's straight out of the PETA talking points in regards to beliefs about Jesus Christ.
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Post by TheOldMan2084 on Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:41 am

"Broccoli...that's my food's food..."  lol! lol!
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Post by BearDad on Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:39 pm

ImagoDei wrote:Unfortunately in my experience, most vegans can't agree to disagree. They usually resort to name calling, and demonizing, and sometimes even violence if you don't agree with them. They are not open for discussion and you can't reason with them. 

Sounds like a typical card-carrying liberal progressive to me.

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Post by Andreas89 on Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:00 am

I have to agree partly with the observation that vegans can have a real attitude when it comes to their nutritional views and the reasons behind them. But I also know of the more "modest" vegan types, who aren't that in your face about it... maybe my experiences differ because I have a certain level of sympathy for some of its ideas. And because my wife and I occasionally cook vegan recipes. Not because they're vegan mind you, but because they're tasty and healthy.
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Post by ImagoDei on Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:41 pm

I'm sure there are modest vegans, I've just never met or known of one. I've known plenty of modest, nonjudgmental vegetarians, but for some reason crossing the line into veganism also correlates with a mental breakdown.

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Post by Tobi Elektrik on Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:26 pm

As a fellow Vegan I see a very important problem in Ted's actions and lyrical approach: He is too animal-fixated. I have to admit that I never read much of his messages but I never found any link between his Veganism and HUMANS.
Animals are great creatures. A lot of them have feelings. They feel pain, they are social creatures, they are a mindblowing testimony of God's greatness. That's what Ted says. That's what I would say.
But animals are NOT human. And there's clearly no word in the Bible that says that killing an animal is forbidden. But I have the impression (like many other people) that Ted puts them on a same level like humans.

I personally choose a vegan diet for many reasons. I don't see any need to kill animals (in Germany and many other countries) for food causes. Sure, meat, milk, eggs, cheese - it all tastes good. But that's a pretty weird reason to justify the killing of a living creature IMO. But that's just one of many reasons:
Health issues, huge ecological problems, hunger - those are problems that affect HUMANS directly.

So often the whole discussion about animal rights distracts from other severe problems. The animal industry is not just harming and killing animals, it's also harming and killing PEOPLE!

That's why I have very mixed feelings about johnnycanuck's facebook post: On the one hand it's adressed to Ted so I can understand his biblical remarks. But on the other hand I become quite aggressive when people start to use the Bible to justify their bad lifestyle.
We are not living in the Israel of the year 35 where people's main food was bread and when the world had a population of only 200,000.
It's 2017 now, over 7,000,000 people are crowding the earth and we are about to KILL this planet while people fill their stomachs with 200 pounds of meat each year (at least the average American does) and complain about Ted's animal rights activism.
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Post by bjorn agin on Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:05 pm

Tobi Elektrik wrote:We are not living in the Israel of the year 35 where people's main food was bread and when the world had a population of only 200,000.
It's 2017 now, over 7,000,000 people are crowding the earth and we are about to KILL this planet while people fill their stomachs with 200 pounds of meat each year (at least the average American does) and complain about Ted's animal rights activism.

I'm not a vegan, but I respect your right to choose to not eat meat. But I do have to interject with some of your language regarding over-crowding. I just returned from a trip to the western United States and I saw vast areas of open land in Kansas, Colorado, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana and South Dakota. We are not near killing the planet by a long shot.
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Post by Andreas89 on Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:25 am

Then come visit us here in Germany. Or even worse, the Netherlands. Maybe you'll understand overcrowding rhethoric better Razz
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Post by Tobi Elektrik on Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:06 am

bjorn agin wrote:
Tobi Elektrik wrote:We are not living in the Israel of the year 35 where people's main food was bread and when the world had a population of only 200,000.
It's 2017 now, over 7,000,000 people are crowding the earth and we are about to KILL this planet while people fill their stomachs with 200 pounds of meat each year (at least the average American does) and complain about Ted's animal rights activism.

I'm not a vegan, but I respect your right to choose to not eat meat. But I do have to interject with some of your language regarding over-crowding. I just returned from a trip to the western United States and I saw vast areas of open land in Kansas, Colorado, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana and South Dakota. We are not near killing the planet by a long shot.

Than better check this list to understand the problem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_ecological_footprint
In Germany we are already facing more and more problems by the increasing volume of animal waste: High nitrate and phosphorous levels, contimaninated groundwater and surface water with pharmaceuticals or microbial pathogens, algal bloom... Those are "third world problems" caused by our first world greed. And cutting the production of animal products to a healthy level is the only solution.
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Post by Queue on Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:19 pm

Why is Merkel letting people into your country then?

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Post by Andreas89 on Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:34 am

Don't get me started on Merkel.
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Post by Tobi Elektrik on Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:15 am

Queue wrote:Why is Merkel letting people into your country then?

Cause tourism is good for our economy!  Twisted Evil
Uhm...seriously... what's your point? And what does it have to do with VEGANISM?
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Post by exo on Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:26 am

Yup.

Let's keep this one "on topic", please.....

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Post by messiaen77 on Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:33 am

Honestly, if you came on my Facebook page trying to stir up an argument, I'd probably boot you too.  Y'all talk about agreeing to disagree, but when you go around posting stuff on people's pages that you know is argumentative and is going to spark some sort of negative response, then why act surprised when the person blocks your access to their page?  "I'll agree to disagree as soon as you agree that I'm right."  Geesh.  I stopped following Ted a long time ago for his "animals are people too" nonsense.  Maybe if his views bug you so much you should do the same.
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Post by Andreas89 on Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:44 am

^You absolutely have a point. Of course, Ted needs someone to contradict him, but that "one" isn't going to be some random person who is only in contact with him via facebook.
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Post by Queue on Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:01 pm

Andreas89 wrote:Then come visit us here in Germany. Or even worse, the Netherlands. Maybe you'll understand overcrowding rhethoric better Razz
 
 This. Now, ya'll get mighty jumpy.... maybe we aren't reading the same threads....:shrug:

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Post by Erasmus on Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:35 pm

It won't appeal to most vegans, but it would be more sustainable for the planet if we started replacing our animal meat diet with bug/insect meat.

Who wants to go first?
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Post by eatbugs on Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:31 pm

Erasmus wrote:It won't appeal to most vegans, but it would be more sustainable for the planet if we started replacing our animal meat diet with bug/insect meat.

Who wants to go first?

Me.

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Post by Staybrite on Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:51 pm

eatbugs wrote:
Erasmus wrote:It won't appeal to most vegans, but it would be more sustainable for the planet if we started replacing our animal meat diet with bug/insect meat.

Who wants to go first?

Me.
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Post by johnnycanuck on Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:45 pm

I am not a stranger to Ted, in fact, in the early 2000's I designed his ecommerce website for him, so he may or may not remember me. 

That was not my first post to him. It was finally when he wrote in a post that Jesus was a vegan, that I had to reply. 

I lived in Germany in the 70's and I guess the population must have exploded since then as in the Blackforest Rhine region, it was quite open spaced with lots of forest and farms. 

I live in Canada, where you can drive for countless miles and not see a house or even a town or village.
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Post by Andreas89 on Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:19 pm

Ah OK, that changes the situation. It is always annoying when people start to claim that Jesus was vegan/communist/whatever fits their political or moral agenda. Especially when they could have known better.
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Post by sentient 6 on Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:31 pm

johnnycanuck wrote: It was finally when he wrote in a post that Jesus was a vegan, that I had to reply. 


I've tried to find some references to Teds view on this, but how does Ted substantiate this ?
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Post by Andreas89 on Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:27 am

Maybe by claiming that the word for "fish" in Greek/Aramaic actually means "tofu"?
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Post by ThomasEversole on Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:02 am

messiaen77 wrote:Honestly, if you came on my Facebook page trying to stir up an argument, I'd probably boot you too.  Y'all talk about agreeing to disagree, but when you go around posting stuff on people's pages that you know is argumentative and is going to spark some sort of negative response, then why act surprised when the person blocks your access to their page?  "I'll agree to disagree as soon as you agree that I'm right."  Geesh.  I stopped following Ted a long time ago for his "animals are people too" nonsense.  Maybe if his views bug you so much you should do the same.

Massive win. ↑

Aside from agreeing to disagree, what ever happened to good old fashioned "live and let live"?  Are Christians going to turn what Jesus ATE into a knock-down-drag-out too?

johnnycanuck wrote:
(Rom 14:1)  Accept anyone who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of arguing over differences of opinion.
(Rom 14:2)  One person believes that he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables.
(Rom 14:3)  The person who eats any kind of food must not ridicule the person who does not eat them, and the person who does not eat certain foods must not criticize the person who eats them, for God has accepted him.
(Rom 14:4)  Who are you to criticize someone else's servant? He stands or falls before his own Lord--and stand he will, because the Lord makes him stand.

Seems to me Rom 14:3 should be the one underlined instead...
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