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Post by New Creation on Tue May 23, 2017 11:43 am

Step 1: Stop allowing "refugees" from known terrorist countries.
Step 2: Allow citizens to arm themselves.
Step 3: Stop admitting that Islam is a "great" or "peaceful" religion. It's not, and never has been.
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Post by Andreas89 on Tue May 23, 2017 11:51 am

Step 3 should be step 1, really. Western countries should be aware of what islam teaches and this should become common knowledge. If that happens, then muslims who come here will be confronted with their own religion (which they don't like, to put it mildly; they might want to cut your head off).

I know that I'm a bit too optimistic in this, but I really think that most muslims can't stand the test of a culture of criticism. If Western countries adopted only 10% of the criticism we have seen towards christianity to islam, then I don't think islam has much of a future in the west.

Just a reminder by the way, there are actually people between them that do need help. But yeah, why not in the neighbouring muslim countries?
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Post by Free777 on Tue May 23, 2017 12:50 pm

New Creation wrote:Step 1: Stop allowing "refugees" from known terrorist countries.
Step 2: Allow citizens to arm themselves.
Step 3: Stop admitting that Islam is a "great" or "peaceful" religion. It's not, and never has been.
Step 1 - are all refugees extremist terrorists? 
Step 2 - there are over 300 million guns in the US. What amount of guns are required before you'd fell safer?
Step3 - Islam is "great" and "peaceful" if you're a moderate Muslim. Imagine how violent the Jews would be if they followed the OT to the letter!

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Post by New Creation on Tue May 23, 2017 1:04 pm

Free777 wrote:
New Creation wrote:Step 1: Stop allowing "refugees" from known terrorist countries.
Step 2: Allow citizens to arm themselves.
Step 3: Stop admitting that Islam is a "great" or "peaceful" religion. It's not, and never has been.
Step 1 - are all refugees extremist terrorists? 
Step 2 - there are over 300 million guns in the US. What amount of guns are required before you'd fell safer?
Step3 - Islam is "great" and "peaceful" if you're a moderate Muslim. Imagine how violent the Jews would be if they followed the OT to the letter!

1. No. Too bad for the ones that aren't. You can't come here.
2. I was referring to guns in the UK, which are not allowed. But, as for here, the laws are too strict. In many states, you can carry, but only concealed and only with a license. I'm fortunate to live in Michigan where I can carry openly without a license, but most states don't have this.
3. Islam was never great or peaceful. It is founded on murder, terror, and rape. Muhammad was a terrible man who believed and taught a doctrine of demons. Show me peace in the koran, show it to me please.
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Post by Free777 on Tue May 23, 2017 1:29 pm

New Creation wrote:
Free777 wrote:
New Creation wrote:Step 1: Stop allowing "refugees" from known terrorist countries.
Step 2: Allow citizens to arm themselves.
Step 3: Stop admitting that Islam is a "great" or "peaceful" religion. It's not, and never has been.
Step 1 - are all refugees extremist terrorists? 
Step 2 - there are over 300 million guns in the US. What amount of guns are required before you'd fell safer?
Step3 - Islam is "great" and "peaceful" if you're a moderate Muslim. Imagine how violent the Jews would be if they followed the OT to the letter!

1. No. Too bad for the ones that aren't. You can't come here.
2. I was referring to guns in the UK, which are not allowed. But, as for here, the laws are too strict. In many states, you can carry, but only concealed and only with a license. I'm fortunate to live in Michigan where I can carry openly without a license, but most states don't have this.
3. Islam was never great or peaceful. It is founded on murder, terror, and rape. Muhammad was a terrible man who believed and taught a doctrine of demons. Show me peace in the koran, show it to me please.

1. What a shame. Good thing Jesus doesn't hold to the same standards as you. I guess compassion is just a nice thought and not something to put into practice.
2. Yes, sure - lots of guns would have worked great in stopping that bomb from going off yesterday, huh? I hear of lots of mass shootings in the States - surely someone in the area had a gun - did they just not use it...? How would guns stop that? 
3. Guess you haven't read the OT in awhile - steeped in the same blood as the Koran yet you believe in God, no?

Like with all religious books, it all depends on which verses you pick. One can write a long list of verses in the Koran that ensure religious tolerance, peaceful coexistence, etc. It is up to each Muslim to "interpret" the Koran.

Here's one: [2:193] “You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.”

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Post by Kerrick on Tue May 23, 2017 1:42 pm

Free777 wrote:2. Yes, sure - lots of guns would have worked great in stopping that bomb from going off yesterday, huh? I hear of lots of mass shootings in the States - surely someone in the area had a gun - did they just not use it...? How would guns stop that?

Well... you hear about the shootings where people DIDN'T have guns to protect themselves with.  You might be surprised at just how many times the "good guy with a gun" has stopped something terrible.  The first example that comes to mind is the Oregon mall shooting from a few years ago.  The liberal media didn't say ANYTHING about what stopped the shooter, conveniently enough.  But it was a guy with a concealed-carry gun and permit who drew on the shooter.  Once the shooter was no longer in control, he took his own life.  Who knows how many people he would have hurt or killed had that man not been there.  If you dig a little deeper, you'll find that there are numerous other similar stories - none of which you'll hear about from the major [liberal] news stations.

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Post by Free777 on Tue May 23, 2017 1:58 pm

Kerrick wrote:
Free777 wrote:2. Yes, sure - lots of guns would have worked great in stopping that bomb from going off yesterday, huh? I hear of lots of mass shootings in the States - surely someone in the area had a gun - did they just not use it...? How would guns stop that?

Well... you hear about the shootings where people DIDN'T have guns to protect themselves with.  You might be surprised at just how many times the "good guy with a gun" has stopped something terrible.  The first example that comes to mind is the Oregon mall shooting from a few years ago.  The liberal media didn't say ANYTHING about what stopped the shooter, conveniently enough.  But it was a guy with a concealed-carry gun and permit who drew on the shooter.  Once the shooter was no longer in control, he took his own life.  Who knows how many people he would have hurt or killed had that man not been there.  If you dig a little deeper, you'll find that there are numerous other similar stories - none of which you'll hear about from the major [liberal] news stations.

So... if everyone had a gun it would be beneficial because we could deal with the threat quicker, thus minimizing the casualties? Or this kind of event wouldn't occur because everyone knows everyone else is packing?

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Post by New Creation on Tue May 23, 2017 2:03 pm

Free777 wrote:
New Creation wrote:
Free777 wrote:
New Creation wrote:Step 1: Stop allowing "refugees" from known terrorist countries.
Step 2: Allow citizens to arm themselves.
Step 3: Stop admitting that Islam is a "great" or "peaceful" religion. It's not, and never has been.
Step 1 - are all refugees extremist terrorists? 
Step 2 - there are over 300 million guns in the US. What amount of guns are required before you'd fell safer?
Step3 - Islam is "great" and "peaceful" if you're a moderate Muslim. Imagine how violent the Jews would be if they followed the OT to the letter!

1. No. Too bad for the ones that aren't. You can't come here.
2. I was referring to guns in the UK, which are not allowed. But, as for here, the laws are too strict. In many states, you can carry, but only concealed and only with a license. I'm fortunate to live in Michigan where I can carry openly without a license, but most states don't have this.
3. Islam was never great or peaceful. It is founded on murder, terror, and rape. Muhammad was a terrible man who believed and taught a doctrine of demons. Show me peace in the koran, show it to me please.

1. What a shame. Good thing Jesus doesn't hold to the same standards as you. I guess compassion is just a nice thought and not something to put into practice.
2. Yes, sure - lots of guns would have worked great in stopping that bomb from going off yesterday, huh? I hear of lots of mass shootings in the States - surely someone in the area had a gun - did they just not use it...? How would guns stop that? 
3. Guess you haven't read the OT in awhile - steeped in the same blood as the Koran yet you believe in God, no?

Like with all religious books, it all depends on which verses you pick. One can write a long list of verses in the Koran that ensure religious tolerance, peaceful coexistence, etc. It is up to each Muslim to "interpret" the Koran.

Here's one: [2:193] “You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.”

1. This is not a gospel issue. This is a national security issue. God commanded Israel to deal very strictly with foreigners and outsiders. There were very detailed and strict regulations. You couldn't just walk into Israel's camp and expect to have full rights and freedoms.
2. No, a citizen carrying a gun would not have solved yesterday's bombing. But, the proper carrying and use of a gun will handle many other terrorist incidents.
3. I read the OT all the time. Bloody times indeed. Israel were God's people, no other country was.
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Post by exo on Tue May 23, 2017 2:09 pm

Pre-emotive warning time ......

This is a "hot button" thing.......tread VERY carefully when replying, folks.  

If you are upset when replying, STOP. 

take the time to cool off, and consider your words.

  People lacking in self control in their treatment of others in their replies are gonna have a VERY short leash.

Thanks......

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Post by Free777 on Tue May 23, 2017 2:22 pm

New Creation wrote:
Free777 wrote:
New Creation wrote:
Free777 wrote:
New Creation wrote:Step 1: Stop allowing "refugees" from known terrorist countries.
Step 2: Allow citizens to arm themselves.
Step 3: Stop admitting that Islam is a "great" or "peaceful" religion. It's not, and never has been.
Step 1 - are all refugees extremist terrorists? 
Step 2 - there are over 300 million guns in the US. What amount of guns are required before you'd fell safer?
Step3 - Islam is "great" and "peaceful" if you're a moderate Muslim. Imagine how violent the Jews would be if they followed the OT to the letter!

1. No. Too bad for the ones that aren't. You can't come here.
2. I was referring to guns in the UK, which are not allowed. But, as for here, the laws are too strict. In many states, you can carry, but only concealed and only with a license. I'm fortunate to live in Michigan where I can carry openly without a license, but most states don't have this.
3. Islam was never great or peaceful. It is founded on murder, terror, and rape. Muhammad was a terrible man who believed and taught a doctrine of demons. Show me peace in the koran, show it to me please.

1. What a shame. Good thing Jesus doesn't hold to the same standards as you. I guess compassion is just a nice thought and not something to put into practice.
2. Yes, sure - lots of guns would have worked great in stopping that bomb from going off yesterday, huh? I hear of lots of mass shootings in the States - surely someone in the area had a gun - did they just not use it...? How would guns stop that? 
3. Guess you haven't read the OT in awhile - steeped in the same blood as the Koran yet you believe in God, no?

Like with all religious books, it all depends on which verses you pick. One can write a long list of verses in the Koran that ensure religious tolerance, peaceful coexistence, etc. It is up to each Muslim to "interpret" the Koran.

Here's one: [2:193] “You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship GOD freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors.”

1. This is not a gospel issue. This is a national security issue. God commanded Israel to deal very strictly with foreigners and outsiders. There were very detailed and strict regulations. You couldn't just walk into Israel's camp and expect to have full rights and freedoms.
2. No, a citizen carrying a gun would not have solved yesterday's bombing. But, the proper carrying and use of a gun will handle many other terrorist incidents.
3. I read the OT all the time. Bloody times indeed. Israel were God's people, no other country was.


1. You can't have it both ways. You can't claim to be a compassionate individual and then say "oh well too bad" it's a national security issue. If you're prejudiced against Muslims and assume they're all terrorists, then maybe that's where the problem lies.

Should I assume that you, as an American Christian are a terrorist because of the Army of God or any other number of fringe Christian groups that interpret the bible differently than the mainstream? Again - you, as a US citizen should be glad the Jews don't follow OT law. Why do moderate Muslims not get the same treatment?  Because as much as you want to demonize them, by painting them ALL with the same brush as the fringe Muslims, the moderate Muslims are NOT the same. And there are more of them than the wackos.A moderate Muslim isn't going to kill infidels any more than a Jew is going to stone his wife for cheating on him.

2. I asked Kerrick so I'll ask you: So... if everyone had a gun it would be beneficial because we could deal with the threat quicker, thus minimizing the casualties? Or this kind of event wouldn't occur because everyone knows everyone else is packing?

3. Blood times, indeed. Not just bloody - rape-y too. So... it's ok because Israel was the chosen group?


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Post by Free777 on Tue May 23, 2017 2:23 pm

exo wrote:Pre-emotive warning time ......

This is a "hot button" thing.......tread VERY carefully when replying, folks.  

If you are upset when replying, STOP. 

take the time to cool off, and consider your words.

  People lacking in self control in their treatment of others in their replies are gonna have a VERY short leash.

Thanks......

We haven't broken down to name calling.

NC - you wanna keep talking? I thought I was being rather civil....

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Post by exo on Tue May 23, 2017 2:45 pm

Free777 wrote:
exo wrote:Pre-emotive warning time ......

This is a "hot button" thing.......tread VERY carefully when replying, folks.  

If you are upset when replying, STOP. 

take the time to cool off, and consider your words.

  People lacking in self control in their treatment of others in their replies are gonna have a VERY short leash.

Thanks......

We haven't broken down to name calling.

NC - you wanna keep talking? I thought I was being rather civil....


It doesn't need to get that far to get my attention.  Snappy retort to me letting people know this thread is gonna be watched like a hawk does you no favors AND You've posted 4 times in 4 years before diving in to  this thread feet first.  Watch yourself.

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Post by Kerrick on Tue May 23, 2017 3:11 pm

Free777 wrote:So... if everyone had a gun it would be beneficial because we could deal with the threat quicker, thus minimizing the casualties? Or this kind of event wouldn't occur because everyone knows everyone else is packing?

I guess you'd need to define "everyone."  If by "everyone" you mean violent criminals, the mentally deranged, unsupervised children, etc... then of course not.  Obviously there needs to be some level of control over such things - and there is: background checks, safety tests, etc.  But to your question: yes, I do believe loosening restrictions and allowing good people to protect themselves from violent threats is the right thing to do - within the US.  I won't speak on behalf of other countries.  There is a distinct correlation between violent crimes here and restrictive gun laws which strongly suggests that restrictive gun laws just don't work here.  Another thing to consider: you mentioned the increasing amounts of mass shootings that occur in the US.  Gun availability and technology hasn't changed in the US much at all in the past 100 or so years.  It's not as if guns themselves have become more deadly or effective.  The most popular types were designed decades and decades ago.  And they've always been available to purchase by civilians.  So if availability and technology/effectiveness aren't factors, it would seem that the problem isn't the guns but the people.  I'd suggest it's due - at least in great part - to the effects of general secularization of the US and blatant/outright denial and rejection of God.

On a related note... *IF* it were possible to completely destroy every single last firearm in existence and somehow prevent another one to ever be made - with absolute certainty - then I would hand over my firearms gladly (though I'd miss them).  But as long as at least one firearm exists in this world, disallowing people to protect themselves is the wrong way to go IMO.  As the saying goes, "when seconds matter, the police are only minutes away."

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Post by Free777 on Tue May 23, 2017 3:21 pm

Kerrick wrote:
Free777 wrote:So... if everyone had a gun it would be beneficial because we could deal with the threat quicker, thus minimizing the casualties? Or this kind of event wouldn't occur because everyone knows everyone else is packing?

I guess you'd need to define "everyone."  If by "everyone" you mean violent criminals, the mentally deranged, unsupervised children, etc... then of course not.  Obviously there needs to be some level of control over such things - and there is: background checks, safety tests, etc.  But to your question: yes, I do believe loosening restrictions and allowing good people to protect themselves from violent threats is the right thing to do - within the US.  I won't speak on behalf of other countries.  There is a distinct correlation between violent crimes here and restrictive gun laws which strongly suggests that restrictive gun laws just don't work here.  Another thing to consider: you mentioned the increasing amounts of mass shootings that occur in the US.  Gun availability and technology hasn't changed in the US much at all in the past 100 or so years.  It's not as if guns themselves have become more deadly or effective.  The most popular types were designed decades and decades ago.  And they've always been available to purchase by civilians.  So if availability and technology/effectiveness aren't factors, it would seem that the problem isn't the guns but the people.  I'd suggest it's due - at least in great part - to the effects of general secularization of the US and blatant/outright denial and rejection of God.

On a related note... *IF* it were possible to completely destroy every single last firearm in existence and somehow prevent another one to ever be made - with absolute certainty - then I would hand over my firearms gladly (though I'd miss them).  But as long as at least one firearm exists in this world, disallowing people to protect themselves is the wrong way to go IMO.  As the saying goes, "when seconds matter, the police are only minutes away."

I've bolded the crux of the issue.

How do you determine who's good and who isn't? What would the form or tests even look like? Would you have to screen these people forever to ensure they stay good? I can't imagine the bureaucracy in managing that.

In your last paragraph you mention you would hand over your guns. Do you carry one? Have you ever had to pull a gun on someone? If so, what was the circumstance?

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Post by Free777 on Tue May 23, 2017 3:28 pm

exo wrote:
Free777 wrote:
exo wrote:Pre-emotive warning time ......

This is a "hot button" thing.......tread VERY carefully when replying, folks.  

If you are upset when replying, STOP. 

take the time to cool off, and consider your words.

  People lacking in self control in their treatment of others in their replies are gonna have a VERY short leash.

Thanks......

We haven't broken down to name calling.

NC - you wanna keep talking? I thought I was being rather civil....


It doesn't need to get that far to get my attention.  Snappy retort to me letting people know this thread is gonna be watched like a hawk does you no favors AND You've posted 4 times in 4 years before diving in to  this thread feet first.  Watch yourself.

Seriously - what did I say to deserve such a reponse?

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Post by exo on Tue May 23, 2017 3:55 pm

Free777 wrote:
exo wrote:
Free777 wrote:
exo wrote:Pre-emotive warning time ......

This is a "hot button" thing.......tread VERY carefully when replying, folks.  

If you are upset when replying, STOP. 

take the time to cool off, and consider your words.

  People lacking in self control in their treatment of others in their replies are gonna have a VERY short leash.

Thanks......

We haven't broken down to name calling.

NC - you wanna keep talking? I thought I was being rather civil....


It doesn't need to get that far to get my attention.  Snappy retort to me letting people know this thread is gonna be watched like a hawk does you no favors AND You've posted 4 times in 4 years before diving in to  this thread feet first.  Watch yourself.

Seriously - what did I say to deserve such a response?


I gave a simple GENERAL reminder for people to be on their absolute best behavior, and you felt the urge to toss a snappy retort back about it.  That's more than enough.  Now, go ahead and return your focus to the actual matters being discussed rather than turning this into a confrontation about things.

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Post by Free777 on Tue May 23, 2017 5:43 pm

Meh. I have better things to do with my time than have my behaviour dictated to me. You used to be cool, exo. I had a lot of respect for you back in the glory days of this board, when you weren't as uptight as you are now. And we're talking longer than 4 years ago. 

Facism. It's a hell of a way to live, ain't it?

New Creation. You seriously need to figure out what compassion means. 

And with that, I'll gladly take the ban hammer.

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Post by Kerrick on Tue May 23, 2017 5:57 pm

Rolling Eyes 


Four-plus years of watching people interact on online forums is PLENTY of time to recognize patterns.  “Cool” or not, Exo identified a thread that could easily stir up peoples’ emotions which oftentimes leads to ugliness.  His preemptive warning was simply to remind folks to keep it respectful.  Your defensiveness coupled with post history is a red flag because we’ve seen this type of thing before and it usually doesn’t go well.  Chill out, be respectful, and stop trying to play the victim here.  It’s not a big deal.

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Post by exo on Tue May 23, 2017 6:16 pm

Free777 wrote:Meh. I have better things to do with my time than have my behaviour dictated to me. You used to be cool, exo. I had a lot of respect for you back in the glory days of this board, when you weren't as uptight as you are now. And we're talking longer than 4 years ago. 

Facism. It's a hell of a way to live, ain't it?

New Creation. You seriously need to figure out what compassion means. 

And with that, I'll gladly take the ban hammer.


Kerrick said it well enough, other than the fact that I have not changed my methodology as a moderator one single iota since I came on board as staff a decade ago.  You wanna play a martyr card, might wanna make sure you're playing from the same deck as everyone else.  You haven't created a ban worthy problem....YET.....so feel free to get over yourself.

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Post by exo on Tue May 23, 2017 6:32 pm

Oh,  also:  I've never been cool.  Not at any point in my life Laughing

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Post by Kerrick on Tue May 23, 2017 6:40 pm

^Heh, I was going to ask if that meant you’ve ALWAYS been cool or NEVER… but no need to ask now.
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Post by Staybrite on Tue May 23, 2017 7:15 pm

Every time I see/hear of a radical Muslim terror act I always wonder where is the response from the "moderate Muslim" community.  Why don't they flood the news and internet with protests to the heinous acts of terrorism from a people claiming to share their faith?
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Post by exo on Wed May 24, 2017 2:19 am

Andreas89 wrote:Step 3 should be step 1, really. Western countries should be aware of what islam teaches and this should become common knowledge. If that happens, then muslims who come here will be confronted with their own religion (which they don't like, to put it mildly; they might want to cut your head off).

I know that I'm a bit too optimistic in this, but I really think that most muslims can't stand the test of a culture of criticism. If Western countries adopted only 10% of the criticism we have seen towards christianity to islam, then I don't think islam has much of a future in the west.

Just a reminder by the way, there are actually people between them that do need help. But yeah, why not in the neighbouring muslim countries?
 To step away from the brouhaha a bit.....I can not argue against a single thing you've said.  

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Post by alldatndensum on Wed May 24, 2017 7:23 am

Staybrite wrote:Every time I see/hear of a radical Muslim terror act I always wonder where is the response from the "moderate Muslim" community.  Why don't they flood the news and internet with protests to the heinous acts of terrorism from a people claiming to share their faith?



THIS EXACTLY!

While the video has been scrubbed from most of the internet, I still remember watching the 9/11 footage when it happened that showed "moderate Muslims" dancing in the streets of NYC after the attacks.  Their Imams don't go public and denounce these acts.  There are more and more videos on YouTube of their Imams ENCOURAGING these attacks on the USA, and these are in the synagoges located HERE.  Yet, the liberal media makes it seem like we shouldn't do anything.

Ask our European friends who have taken in so many that they now have riots by Muslims.  Some countries have had radical groups march across their nation and burn things.  But, you won't hear CNN or FOX report these things because we need to embrace this religion that has been proselytizing by the sword since the Crusades.  People want to twist those and make it Christianity's fault they happened.  However, the Crusades (the first two, anyway) were in response to a growing Muslim invasion of refugees that became violent.  Times haven't really changed.
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Post by alldatndensum on Wed May 24, 2017 7:27 am

New Creation wrote:Step 1: Stop allowing "refugees" from known terrorist countries.
Step 2: Allow citizens to arm themselves.
Step 3: Stop admitting that Islam is a "great" or "peaceful" religion. It's not, and never has been.


To be honest, until we get a better vetting system, which isn't going to happen due to a lack of records of births in Middle Eastern countries, I have no problem not receiving refugees from known terrorist nations.  Even if only 2% of Muslims were extremists, when you are talking millions and perhaps billions of them, it stands to reason that a mere 40,000 could become a huge paramilitary force in a matter of months.  Knowing that we have training camps in the USA that, for whatever reasons, we won't shut down, it wouldn't take much for incoming refugees to be recruited by extremist factions we already have here.  Then, once you have a mobile paramilitary group, they are going to hide within the civilian community to do the maximum amount of murdering.  With this latest club bombing, we see that it is going to happen over and over.  We need to stop pandering to the elephant under the rug.
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Post by Andreas89 on Wed May 24, 2017 7:38 am

Staybrite wrote:Every time I see/hear of a radical Muslim terror act I always wonder where is the response from the "moderate Muslim" community.  Why don't they flood the news and internet with protests to the heinous acts of terrorism from a people claiming to share their faith?
That is exactly the problem. I remember this hashtag with "NotMyIslam" on twitter after terrorist attacks; notice the word "my"? That's because they can't deny that those terrorist attacks are 100% in line with islamic teachings. Fortunately, most muslims are too good to follow Muhammad's words to the letter, so they feel embarrassed about that part of islam. The flip side is that it clouds the actual teachings of islam.

As for "each religion has its peaceful and violent writings, depends on which verses you pick": I understand this sentiment but it's a sign of a lack of familiarity with islamic teachings. When it comes to islam, the earlier verses from the quran are peaceful because muslims were a minority. As islam grew, it got more and more violent. Add to that the principle of abrogation (surah 2:256 I think), and you have a lot of superficial peaceful words that lost their meaning due to the later, more violent ones. Violence and threats of violence are vital for islam's existence. There is not one single other religion I know of that even remotely has the same survival tactics.

Anyway, concerning the firearms issue: I'm more and more thinking that I can't fully rely on the government to protect me and my wife anymore. I have a significant amount of respect for chancelor Merkel, but when I read that she said once more that islam has nothing to do with violence, I thought she was either stupid (which I can assure you, she's not) or lying. Politicians lie all the time so nothing new there, but I'm living in the country she's head of state of. I haven't looked into gun regulations yet, but I'm more and more considering looking into the matter. It is possible, you know. Even though it's western Europe.
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Post by MikeInFla on Wed May 24, 2017 8:57 am

I have a Muslim friend at work. He is a great guy. We don't talk too much about his religion as I think he isn't practicing. We had a talk about Christmas once. I asked him if he celebrated and he said "of course, why wouldn't I?". Also our pediatrician is Muslim, but it seems most of them in our area are. She is also a very nice woman but I have never discussed religion with her.

As for the attacks that they do my friend at work hates those people. "They are pieces of ****" he always says. He is originally from Jordan. Mostly we discuss metal music. We both love it. I've mentioned Stryper to him and he says they are good. So he has an open mind to a lot of things. When I see him again I will discuss the latest attack in Manchester but I know what he is going to say. I asked him about pork once because we ordered pizza at work and he wouldn't eat it because it had pepperoni on it. I asked him "Oh a religious thing huh?". He said "No, I don't like pepperoni you should've ordered pizza with bacon!".
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Post by Kerrick on Thu May 25, 2017 12:54 pm

crucifyd wrote:[Where Are The Moderate Muslims video]

Thanks for sharing.  My wife and I watched this last night.  It was quite insightful and certainly paints a different picture than the mainstream media does.  We watched a few other videos from that university which were also quite good.  Their video on the morality of abortion was particularly well done.

MikeInFla wrote:I have a Muslim friend at work. He is a great guy. We don't talk too much about his religion as I think he isn't practicing. We had a talk about Christmas once. I asked him if he celebrated and he said "of course, why wouldn't I?". Also our pediatrician is Muslim, but it seems most of them in our area are. She is also a very nice woman but I have never discussed religion with her.

As for the attacks that they do my friend at work hates those people. "They are pieces of ****" he always says. He is originally from Jordan. Mostly we discuss metal music. We both love it. I've mentioned Stryper to him and he says they are good. So he has an open mind to a lot of things. When I see him again I will discuss the latest attack in Manchester but I know what he is going to say. I asked him about pork once because we ordered pizza at work and he wouldn't eat it because it had pepperoni on it. I asked him "Oh a religious thing huh?". He said "No, I don't like pepperoni you should've ordered pizza with bacon!".

To play devil's advocate... you could say the same thing about "moderate Christians" who in fact aren't orthodox.  There is a LOT of self-identified Christians calling sin "good," being pushed to and fro by culture instead of adhering to God's Word.  I suspect your Muslim friend is similarly more driven by modern western culture than the Koran.  Judging any religion by its followers might be a good starting point, but it's a pretty flawed strategy if you want to truly understand and assess it.  For that, you have to go straight to the source and by my limited understanding of the Koran, it's much different than the teachings of the Bible - especially in terms of how to treat unbelievers.

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Post by stringfellow_hawke on Fri May 26, 2017 7:42 pm

New Creation wrote:Step 1: Stop allowing "refugees" from known terrorist countries.
Step 2: Allow citizens to arm themselves.
Step 3: Stop admitting that Islam is a "great" or "peaceful" religion. It's not, and never has been.

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Post by New Creation on Sat May 27, 2017 2:12 pm

To refer to the comments above, there are moderates coming out in the name of peace. This commerical is taking off big time right now:



And what I say is, they are wrong. The koran does not teach these things. The koran teaches violence and domination of all non-Muslims.
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Post by Erasmus on Sat May 27, 2017 8:20 pm

I believe Christians should be at the forefront of advocating for refugees in line with our belief in a mercyful and loving God. Instead of fear we need to reach out in love which has always been a partner with the persuasive power of the Gospel.

Love is costly as we have unfortunately witnessed, but the opposite reaction of fear is out of step with our Lords teachings. I personally do not see any harmony with Christ's way and your 3 step approach.

Whether Islam is a religion of peace or not is irrelent. Either way it is a false religion from a Christians point of view. We are not talking about our response to a religion but to people who are being persecuted, their homes destroyed and families killed. To deny entry to our countries to people who are on the whole victims of both religious extremism and totalitatian government is to write them off as unworthy of human rights because they happen to be born in the wrong time in the wrong country.

This is a great time of opportunity for the Church in western countries to reach those who would never have had the chance to meet Christians and hear the Gospel. Very rarely do we hear of the conversions of many muslims who are refugees, yet this is happening everyday and the angels rejoice. We need to remember that God is working out His will through these events.

Maybe I am hopelessly deluded, but I believe that the current events could be an historical turning point for many turning from following a false god in Islam to the true God through Jesus. How we as individual followers of Jesus act right now could have eternal consequences.

And as much as I depise the acts committed by terrorists (it cannot become acceptable or tolerated)  the truth is that we have much more to fear from our own home grown murderers and rapists who do so with an upbringing in a Christian culture.
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Post by Andreas89 on Mon May 29, 2017 4:27 am

^As a European who lives near Berlin (remember last December?), I agree with you that locking the borders kind of equals to robbing muslims from an opportunity to hear the gospel. I even heard of some refugees in Denmark who were sent back but still became christians.

However, we should all be honest about what that may cost us. And I don't want to hear any of this crap that islam is peaceful or that people don't know; if you don't know, then don't be lazy and learn about it. A good place to start would be the youtube channel Acts17Apologetics.

Last December I told my wife that terrorist attacks are cowardly in nature, like attacking someone from the back. And you attack someone from the back if the other one is stronger. So as long as those terrorist attacks keep this cowardly nature, it's fine with me, because that means they are weak.

But I'm all against pampering the refugees as in that they need to adapt to our society. You don't even need to renounce your muslim faith for that; it just should become common knowledge that islam's teachings are violent.
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Post by sentient 6 on Mon May 29, 2017 4:49 pm

New Creation wrote:
Step 3: Stop admitting that Islam is a "great" or "peaceful" religion. It's not, and never has been.

Agreed. But sometimes how we go about things can bring more " heat " than light. I've posted videos regarding Christians and Muslims before, and here are couple more to help Christians navigate around the subjects pertaining to Islam in the world.

 





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Post by Queue on Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:19 am

Open boarders is not biblical. Nor is globalism for that matter. You know the whole nwo mark of the beast thing messes that up.

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