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Post by Erasmus on Sat May 13, 2017 5:41 pm

Having read mixed messages over the last few months, is Tim out of Stryper?

I don't want to discuss his personal issues, would just like to know. Tim has stated clearly that he has no intention of leaving Stryper, however the messages coming from Stryper band themselves have been rather vague.

Would like to see this work out for the best for all the band members.
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Post by arttieTHE1manparty on Sat May 13, 2017 7:18 pm

Huh.  Guess I hadn't heard anything either way.  I hope not, I always liked Tim in the band.


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Post by Guest on Sat May 13, 2017 7:44 pm

A current thread on their facebook has someone saying they heard Sean McNabb played on the album. Stryper's response is "Sean is an amazing person and an excellent player." Couple that with the term "revised" at the beginning of the thread seems to say that these things are true.

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Post by eatbugs on Sun May 14, 2017 2:29 am

A few months ago on his public Facebook page Tim said something like "See you on the road with Stryper in 2018."  I can't recall exactly but I also seem to remember Michael saying recently that Stryper is Michael/Robert/Oz/Tim.  Until I see otherwise I'll assume he's still in the band.

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Post by Black Rider on Sun May 14, 2017 11:33 am

Don't know for sure but he's acting pretty crazy with some of his public rants. I can see why they'd be leery.
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Post by deathisgain on Sun May 14, 2017 8:07 pm

I thought they were going to take a break until some things got worked out, but a recent post I read seemed to contradict that. If they go with tradition, they'll record without him and then tour with him. Razz
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Post by arttieTHE1manparty on Mon May 15, 2017 9:07 am

Yeah, Tim not recording isn't new, at least to my understanding. (Not like I've been in studio with them...)

McNabb is playing with someone else right now, anyway.

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Post by Free777 on Mon May 15, 2017 9:20 pm

http://sleazeroxx.com/stryper-bassist-timothy-gaines-lashes-out-at-unsolicited-personal-attacks/

I wouldn't play with these clowns either. Why Stryper decided to make Tim's personal life public is beyond me.

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Post by Hardcore Christian on Mon May 15, 2017 10:09 pm

Stryper always seems to have a bit of drama surrounding it
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Post by messiaen77 on Wed May 17, 2017 9:52 am

Yeah, there's a history of Tim being in and out.  Until there is some kind of official announcement, I'd perhaps call it more of a "leave" than being out of the band.
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Post by hellig on Wed May 31, 2017 4:44 pm

He had an extra-marital affair and was given a 'time-out', if you will.
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Post by New Creation on Wed May 31, 2017 5:56 pm

hellig wrote:He had an extra-marital affair and was given a 'time-out', if you will.

If this is truth, then I am very disappointed. Family is the primary building block of our society and when it is destroyed by acts like this, we all fall down.

If this is false or only rumor, then I'm disappointed in the Body of Christ for allowing it to be spread.
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Post by deathisgain on Wed May 31, 2017 10:46 pm

The only thing I've seen, is that he got remarried.
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Post by Markus1987 on Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:03 am

Whatever the case is in Tim's life, it's his private thing. And I'm gonna respect that.
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Post by New Creation on Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:03 am

Markus1987 wrote:Whatever the case is in Tim's life, it's his private thing. And I'm gonna respect that.

When marriage vows are made, they are PUBLIC, not private. If the marriage vows were broken, then it should be a public thing, not private.

Likewise, if the marriage vows remained intact, then those who have publicly accused him should be openly judged. This is basic 1 Corinthians 6:1-4 stuff.
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Post by MikeInFla on Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:11 am

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Post by alldatndensum on Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:29 pm

New Creation wrote:
Markus1987 wrote:Whatever the case is in Tim's life, it's his private thing. And I'm gonna respect that.

When marriage vows are made, they are PUBLIC, not private. If the marriage vows were broken, then it should be a public thing, not private.

Likewise, if the marriage vows remained intact, then those who have publicly accused him should be openly judged. This is basic 1 Corinthians 6:1-4 stuff.


Whether he has done something he ought not to do or whether he hasn't, it remains a private deal.  Unless you are involved directly with his life, then making it public only drags him down further.  He needs time to heal, and having all the details dragged out over the whole Internet is just going to slow that process down.

How public does it need to be if he broke his vows?  Does he owe you or I an explanation?  No.  Are there other people who know about this and are working to help him deal with it within the Christian faith?  Yes!  We weren't invited to that because it truly has nothing to do with us.  We should quietly lift him up in prayer and trust that the Lord knows what Tim needs.  Dragging the details out in a public forum will just make it worse for Tim, Stryper, their families, their churches, etc.  Give the man time away from the spotlight to get his house in order.
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Post by New Creation on Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:14 pm

alldatndensum wrote:
New Creation wrote:
Markus1987 wrote:Whatever the case is in Tim's life, it's his private thing. And I'm gonna respect that.

When marriage vows are made, they are PUBLIC, not private. If the marriage vows were broken, then it should be a public thing, not private.

Likewise, if the marriage vows remained intact, then those who have publicly accused him should be openly judged. This is basic 1 Corinthians 6:1-4 stuff.


Whether he has done something he ought not to do or whether he hasn't, it remains a private deal.  Unless you are involved directly with his life, then making it public only drags him down further.  He needs time to heal, and having all the details dragged out over the whole Internet is just going to slow that process down.

How public does it need to be if he broke his vows?  Does he owe you or I an explanation?  No.  Are there other people who know about this and are working to help him deal with it within the Christian faith?  Yes!  We weren't invited to that because it truly has nothing to do with us.  We should quietly lift him up in prayer and trust that the Lord knows what Tim needs.  Dragging the details out in a public forum will just make it worse for Tim, Stryper, their families, their churches, etc.  Give the man time away from the spotlight to get his house in order.

God commanded for adulterers to be put to death, so He intended for it to be very public. America is wrong for abandoning that law.
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Post by timekeeper on Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:40 pm

Seems Jesus had a different view in John 8 when He spoke to those wanting to murder/stone for adultery.
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Post by New Creation on Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:41 pm

timekeeper wrote:Seems Jesus had a different view when In John 8 when He spoke to those wanting to murder for adultery.

That was only because the accusers wanted to expose the woman. If they had dragged out the man as well, it would have been a different story.
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Post by timekeeper on Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:56 pm

I don't believe that's the message the scripture is sending, but rather a message of grace from the Savior.
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Post by Staybrite on Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:58 pm

New Creation wrote:
alldatndensum wrote:
New Creation wrote:
When marriage vows are made, they are PUBLIC, not private. If the marriage vows were broken, then it should be a public thing, not private.

Likewise, if the marriage vows remained intact, then those who have publicly accused him should be openly judged. This is basic 1 Corinthians 6:1-4 stuff.


Whether he has done something he ought not to do or whether he hasn't, it remains a private deal.  Unless you are involved directly with his life, then making it public only drags him down further.  He needs time to heal, and having all the details dragged out over the whole Internet is just going to slow that process down.

How public does it need to be if he broke his vows?  Does he owe you or I an explanation?  No.  Are there other people who know about this and are working to help him deal with it within the Christian faith?  Yes!  We weren't invited to that because it truly has nothing to do with us.  We should quietly lift him up in prayer and trust that the Lord knows what Tim needs.  Dragging the details out in a public forum will just make it worse for Tim, Stryper, their families, their churches, etc.  Give the man time away from the spotlight to get his house in order.

God commanded for adulterers to be put to death, so He intended for it to be very public. America is wrong for abandoning that law.

This sounds as if you are suggesting America should be imposing the death penalty for adultery.  That would curb our population substantially.  Shocked
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Post by New Creation on Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:59 pm

timekeeper wrote:I don't believe that's the message the scripture is sending, but rather a message of grace from the Savior.

And if that is correct, then it is true, He can apply His mercy to whatever situation He desires, just like he did for David and Gomer. However, the law still stands, and we are to abide by his criminal laws while on this earth. We do not get to pick and choose whom to have mercy on, only God can do that. These laws are put there for society to operate properly.
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Post by timekeeper on Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:06 pm

Right, we don't pick and choose whom to give grace/mercy to, just as Christ extends it to all, and we follow that example.
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Post by New Creation on Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:09 pm

That universal grace is for salvation purposes. What we are talking about here is a criminal justice matter.

I'm stepping out of the thread now. Will not return.
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Post by timekeeper on Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:12 pm

Just having a discussion.  We don't have to agree on everything to be brothers, but perhaps this discussion belongs in another forum.
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Post by Kerrick on Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:20 pm

I'm not going to lock this thread (yet)... but I think it's going to be best if we follow Adam's lead here and cease discussing just what is the proper punishment for adultery and such.  If you want to start another thread, that's fine but keep it civil (as folks have been doing here).  Also, this thread is teetering on straight-up gossip of Tim which is no good either.  Let's be "above reproach" here.

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Post by lhversaw on Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:46 pm

I will only say LET HIM WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE.
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Post by Erasmus on Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:31 pm

I was hoping this thread would not get into discussions of Tim's personal life, though he has publicly announced his new marriage. Anything else is conjecture.

In view of no recent announcements from the Stryper camp I guess I'll just wait and see what happens with the lineup.

As an interesting aside most Biblical Scholars believe that John 7:53-8:11 is a later addition and was not in the original Gospel of John. Yet is a popular passage for preaching.
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Post by sentient 6 on Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:45 am

Erasmus wrote:
As an interesting aside most Biblical Scholars believe that John 7:53-8:11 is a later addition and was not in the original Gospel of John. Yet is a popular passage for preaching.

True. The earliest manuscripts do not contain that passage.

....for those who would like a little more info and direction to go for further investigation...

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Post by sentient 6 on Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:55 am

.....I'm sorry here is a fuller version ( not inspired by Muslim propaganda ).


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Post by sentient 6 on Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:57 am

......oh.....and carry on with the Christian metal gossip. Monkey Biz
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Post by Erasmus on Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:18 am

I'll now take it as a given that Tim is no longer a member of Stryper as he has been removed as a band member on the official Stryper website.
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Post by MikeInFla on Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:46 am

Interesting, wonder who they will get. I don't think they will use Tracie, probably someone different. Or hopefully Tim will be back.
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Post by MikeInFla on Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:49 am

Ok, so I asked a friend about it who is a huge fan. He said Tim was NOT kicked out but that his new wife doesn't want him to be in the band. She posted an offensive picture on FB (I'm not on FB so I don't have access to it but my friend sent a screenshot of it). Was completely uncalled for (not my friend sending it to me but her posting it).
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Post by New Creation on Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:28 am

Well I'm sorry he's gone. Stryper is not the same without him.
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Post by New Creation on Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:57 pm

MikeInFla wrote:Ok, so I asked a friend about it who is a huge fan. He said Tim was NOT kicked out but that his new wife doesn't want him to be in the band. She posted an offensive picture on FB (I'm not on FB so I don't have access to it but my friend sent a screenshot of it). Was completely uncalled for (not my friend sending it to me but her posting it).

Here is the only publicly available photo on her Facebook page. She posted it yesterday afternoon. I have no idea who the singer is.




A lot can happen in 8 days.

I'll state it again, I'll miss him if he's gone. Stryper is not the same without him.
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Post by timekeeper on Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:04 pm

"Stryper is not the same without him."

I completely agree.  

I think that singer in the pic is Bret Kaiser (Madam X).
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Post by timekeeper on Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:24 pm

A new post from Michael's FB page:

"I'm not here to judge anyone. I'm a sinner and I have my own issues to deal with. Although I may be opinionated and vocal, I always do my best to be honorable and respectful. I want ALL of you to know (fans and friends) how important you are to me.
It's not easy leading a band and it's especially not easy leading a ministry. We've been ministering to people for a very long time so yes, we are a ministry every bit as much as we are a rock band.
I spend a lot of time on Social Media to keep you all informed, to ask your opinions (they mean a lot!) and to include you in everything that I/we do. Why? Because as a fan myself and someone who has worked very hard to get to this point, I understand the importance of being there for you just as you've been there for me. We all love music and that's what brings us together but more importantly, I/we really want to make a difference in this world by sharing Gods love and message to the world with music.
It's never been about the drama nor will it ever be. I just want to make a difference and enjoy every moment of this short life that I have. I'm asking all fans to pray for the band and to put aside any hearsay and to rise above the negative and share and spread the positive.
I love you guys and I always will. Thank you all for your support and for standing with me/us for 33 years.
Onward and upward,"
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Post by MikeInFla on Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:47 pm

New Creation wrote:
MikeInFla wrote:Ok, so I asked a friend about it who is a huge fan. He said Tim was NOT kicked out but that his new wife doesn't want him to be in the band. She posted an offensive picture on FB (I'm not on FB so I don't have access to it but my friend sent a screenshot of it). Was completely uncalled for (not my friend sending it to me but her posting it).

Here is the only publicly available photo on her Facebook page. She posted it yesterday afternoon. I have no idea who the singer is.




A lot can happen in 8 days.

I'll state it again, I'll miss him if he's gone. Stryper is not the same without him.

Well, the photo I saw posted by Brandee Gaines was a photo of the Jonestown massacre and said it was "actual footage of Stryper fans who drank the Kool-Aid". Looks like it was posted in the Timothy Gaines Fan Club.

Him being removed from the Stryper website speaks volumes.
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Post by Follower of Jesus on Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:56 pm

I don't mean this to be offensive, but I don't think Stryper will miss a beat without Tim. That style of music requires a bass player that is competent. If they get a decent bassist no one will know the difference. This is not to disparage Tim. It's just that with Stryper's style the bass needs to be there but there's no flair in the bass work at all. It's why Tim could not record THWTD and IGWT and no one cared.
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Follower of Jesus wrote:I don't mean this to be offensive, but I don't think Stryper will miss a beat without Tim. That style of music requires a bass player that is competent. If they get a decent bassist no one will know the difference. This is not to disparage Tim. It's just that with Stryper's style the bass needs to be there but there's no flair in the bass work at all. It's why Tim could not record THWTD and IGWT and no one cared.

You mean he wasn't on those releases!?  Shocked Shocked Shocked



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Post by BearDad on Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:24 am

Erasmus wrote:I'll now take it as a given that Tim is no longer a member of Stryper as he has been removed as a band member on the official Stryper website.

Hmm... I wonder if the band will accept suggestions for a replacement.

Choice #1 for me: Ronnie König of Signum Regis.

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Post by MikeInFla on Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:24 pm

BearDad wrote:
Follower of Jesus wrote:I don't mean this to be offensive, but I don't think Stryper will miss a beat without Tim. That style of music requires a bass player that is competent. If they get a decent bassist no one will know the difference. This is not to disparage Tim. It's just that with Stryper's style the bass needs to be there but there's no flair in the bass work at all. It's why Tim could not record THWTD and IGWT and no one cared.

You mean he wasn't on those releases!?  Shocked Shocked Shocked



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Nope, he didn't play on them. Brad Cobb played bass for those releases.
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Post by BearDad on Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:27 pm

MikeInFla wrote:
BearDad wrote:
Follower of Jesus wrote:I don't mean this to be offensive, but I don't think Stryper will miss a beat without Tim. That style of music requires a bass player that is competent. If they get a decent bassist no one will know the difference. This is not to disparage Tim. It's just that with Stryper's style the bass needs to be there but there's no flair in the bass work at all. It's why Tim could not record THWTD and IGWT and no one cared.

You mean he wasn't on those releases!?  Shocked Shocked Shocked



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Nope, he didn't play on them. Brad Cobb played bass for those releases.

Sorry, Dude, but I think this meme is fitting here:



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Post by jusma on Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:46 am

Is he out? Is he still in the band? Why it's so difficult for Stryper to put out an official statement about Tim?
They need to write more books for us in the future, these are pretty interesting times
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Re: Tim Gaines - Is he out of Stryper?

Post by Thiago-Brazil on Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:29 am

As FoJ, I respectfully think he wouldn't be so missed. I don't really understand all the buzz about it.
In regards to the band, they really should make an official announcement. I mean, is Tim deciding about quitting the band or not? Just say it.
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Re: Tim Gaines - Is he out of Stryper?

Post by MikeInFla on Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:34 am

BearDad wrote:
MikeInFla wrote:
BearDad wrote:
Follower of Jesus wrote:I don't mean this to be offensive, but I don't think Stryper will miss a beat without Tim. That style of music requires a bass player that is competent. If they get a decent bassist no one will know the difference. This is not to disparage Tim. It's just that with Stryper's style the bass needs to be there but there's no flair in the bass work at all. It's why Tim could not record THWTD and IGWT and no one cared.

You mean he wasn't on those releases!?  Shocked Shocked Shocked



Joe BK   Wink


Nope, he didn't play on them. Brad Cobb played bass for those releases.

Sorry, Dude, but I think this meme is fitting here:



Thus, my "Joe  BK" bit at the end. Wink
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Re: Tim Gaines - Is he out of Stryper?

Post by deathisgain on Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:36 pm

Maybe Tim has never really been in the band and is just a figment of our imagination. Or maybe like Nikki Sixx, he was replaced with a doppelganger and is living a quiet life as hermit in Arkansas. I would just like to add those into the other unsubstantiated ideas floating in this thread.
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