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Post by johnnycanuck Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:21 pm

I have been following Ted's Kirkpatrick's Facebook page, Tourniquet Ark, and it appears that it is nothing more than a militant anti-meat page. It has a smattering of God in it (mostly Ted decrying how God would be against the raising and eating of animals for meat). I too frown upon some off the abuses of the Meat industry, but instead of balance, Ted seems to be trying to argue that God is Vegan. It is obvious from Redemption History that God commanded that animals be used in sacrifice and atonement for the sins of the people of God. It is also obvious that meat was to be eaten, and was eaten. Even Jesus performed miracles using fish (feeding the masses, Peter and the nets full of fish, Jesus cooking fish for the disciples after the resurrection). I suppose one could argue that Jesus never actually ate meat from a mammal, but sadly for Tourniquet Ark I see all meat;poultry, mammals, and fish eating appears to be condemned. I am worried that Ted will become another Roger Martinez, or like ex-band member, Gary Lenaire.
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Post by New Creation Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:44 pm

Ted's a brother in Christ and though I disagree with him strongly on this issue, I do not see it as a reason for division.
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Post by Black Rider Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:51 pm

It is a concern, his focus hardly seems to be on proclaiming the Gospel but is focused on animal rights. Interestingly, he is flying in the face of Scripture where we are told it's ok to eat animals.
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Post by Tobi Elektrik Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:45 pm

johnnycanuck wrote:I have been following Ted's Kirkpatrick's Facebook page, Tourniquet Ark, and it appears that it is nothing more than a militant anti-meat page. It has a smattering of God in it (mostly Ted decrying how God would be against the raising and eating of animals for meat). I too frown upon some off the abuses of the Meat industry, but instead of balance, Ted seems to be trying to argue that God is Vegan. It is obvious from Redemption History that God commanded that animals be used in sacrifice and atonement for the sins of the people of God. It is also obvious that meat was to be eaten, and was eaten. Even Jesus performed miracles using fish (feeding the masses, Peter and the nets full of fish, Jesus cooking fish for the disciples after the resurrection). I suppose one could argue that Jesus never actually ate meat from a mammal, but sadly for Tourniquet Ark I see all meat;poultry, mammals, and fish eating appears to be condemned. I am worried that Ted will become another Roger Martinez, or like ex-band member, Gary Lenaire.

So, how do YOU achieve the right "balance" regarding this topic in your life?
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Post by Tobi Elektrik Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:49 pm

Black Rider wrote:It is a concern, his focus hardly seems to be on proclaiming the Gospel but is focused on animal rights. Interestingly, he is flying in the face of Scripture where we are told it's ok to eat animals.

Ted wrote A LOT of faith based songs. What's wrong about switching the topic? Maybe he said everything he wanted to say about Christian / biblical topics and is more inspired to write about other issues now. What's the big problem a lot of people seem to have with it?
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Post by Guest Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:53 pm

This is who Ted is. It's no secret at this point. You're either with it or not. It's certainly a divisive topic the way it is presented.

Personally, it's hard for me reconcile with as my youngest brother raises chickens for eggs and meat in very traditional conditions. They're outside, free, eat healthy non GMO feed and he takes great care of them. I can't really identify with Ted's views in that light.

Like I said, that's Ted though and I don't have to agree. It's certainly no hidden agenda so everyone is informed and able to make their own free choice about agreeing/disagreeing, supporting or not supporting. In that way it's nice that he's forward about it.

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Post by hellig Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:23 pm

Animals are delicious
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Post by Hardcore Christian Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:36 pm

New Creation wrote:Ted's a brother in Christ and though I disagree with him strongly on this issue, I do not see it as a reason for division.
Yea I respect his stance, I wish he was focused on other topics as well, not just the animal one
Black Rider wrote:It is a concern, his focus hardly seems to be on proclaiming the Gospel but is focused on animal rights. Interestingly, he is flying in the face of Scripture where we are told it's ok to eat animals.
Same here I understand his stance but he rarely talks about anything else, that I why I havent really enjoyed a "Tourniquet" album since Where Moth And Rust Destroy
hellig wrote:Animals are delicious
I agree



I cant believe it! A Ted topic that hasnt been locked yet! A rare specimen in its natural habitat (mind the pun) Razz
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Post by bodachi Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:34 pm

If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?

I had to slaughter our roosters the other day.  I wore my Tourniquet hat and hummed "If I Had To Do the Killing" while I did it..
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Post by crucifyd Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:25 am

Tobi Elektrik wrote:
Black Rider wrote:It is a concern, his focus hardly seems to be on proclaiming the Gospel but is focused on animal rights. Interestingly, he is flying in the face of Scripture where we are told it's ok to eat animals.

Ted wrote A LOT of faith based songs. What's wrong about switching the topic? Maybe he said everything he wanted to say about Christian / biblical topics and is more inspired to write about other issues now. What's the big problem a lot of people seem to have with it?

Discussing / writing about the issue isn't the problem. The problem is it seems to be to an extra-biblical extreme with ted. As stated above God has given us the go ahead to take dominion over animals up to and including eating them...

I've always opined that ted is over the top on this issue even back in the day.


bodachi wrote:If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?

I had to slaughter our roosters the other day.  I wore my Tourniquet hat and hummed "If I Had To Do the Killing" while I did it..

THAT. IS. HILARIOUS.
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Post by sentient 6 Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:54 am

It appears to me that over the years, Ted has been greatly influenced by a theologian and pastor named Gregory Boyd. I just don't know the extent of just how much his theology has influenced Ted though.
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Post by Black Rider Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:17 am

And Greg Boyd is an Open Theist, but that's a different topic.  Cool
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Post by New Creation Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:28 am

sentient 6 wrote:It appears to me that over the years, Ted has been greatly influenced by a theologian and pastor named Gregory Boyd. I just don't know the extent of just how much his theology has influenced Ted though.

Black Rider wrote:And Greg Boyd is an Open Theist, but that's a different topic.  Cool

I'm an Open Theist. Tread lightly.  Cool
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Post by Black Rider Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:31 pm

Well, it's not Biblical so any treading isn't really coming from me.
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Post by Kerrick Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:08 pm

I see a storm coming...  Everyone, please remain respectful here...

On Ted and animals: do we really need yet another thread of this?  It's been discussed here so many times and rarely - if ever - to positive results.  I think New Creation's first response of disagreeing with Ted strongly but leaving it at that may be the best route here...  I'm not closing/locking the thread but will if things get unnecessarily heated in here.

On open theism: Black Rider is right, it's a separate topic for a separate thread.  If you want to discuss it, start a new thread.  Just remember the "don't be a jerk" rule and keep it respectful.  Personally, I'd be pretty interested in learning more about open theism.  From a quick glance at Wikipedia, I'd probably disagree with it pretty universally as well, though this could be a great opportunity to learn.

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Post by New Creation Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:11 pm

Black Rider wrote:Well, it's not Biblical so any treading isn't really coming from me.

You mentioned it first, would you like to start the thread that Kerrick mentioned? If not, I just might.
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Post by Black Rider Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:17 pm

Either way. Not sure where to start it.
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Post by My Awesome Timothy Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:17 pm

bodachi wrote:If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?

I had to slaughter our roosters the other day.  I wore my Tourniquet hat and hummed "If I Had To Do the Killing" while I did it..
Murderer!!!  Crying or Very sad  That's what my kids tell me, they are veggies!!! Only kidding...... I personally don't know how anyone can kill an animal..... I could not do it apart from fishing that's it. So the majority of the time I am vegetarian to.  Haven't touched red meat for years. Is disgraceful the way some animals are killed, IMO if you do eat meat research should be done to make sure the animals are humanely killed.  Some videos I've seen on the web are completely heartbreaking.   Sad
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Post by My Awesome Timothy Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:19 pm

johnnycanuck wrote:I have been following Ted's Kirkpatrick's Facebook page, Tourniquet Ark, and it appears that it is nothing more than a militant anti-meat page. It has a smattering of God in it (mostly Ted decrying how God would be against the raising and eating of animals for meat). I too frown upon some off the abuses of the Meat industry, but instead of balance, Ted seems to be trying to argue that God is Vegan. It is obvious from Redemption History that God commanded that animals be used in sacrifice and atonement for the sins of the people of God. It is also obvious that meat was to be eaten, and was eaten. Even Jesus performed miracles using fish (feeding the masses, Peter and the nets full of fish, Jesus cooking fish for the disciples after the resurrection). I suppose one could argue that Jesus never actually ate meat from a mammal, but sadly for Tourniquet Ark I see all meat;poultry, mammals, and fish eating appears to be condemned. I am worried that Ted will become another Roger Martinez, or like ex-band member, Gary Lenaire.


Bit harsh mentioning Ted in the same bracket as Roger!!!
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Post by deathisgain Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:00 pm

I heard that Ted eats human babies. Lock the thread now!
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Post by lhversaw Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:05 pm

johnnycanuck wrote:I have been following Ted's Kirkpatrick's Facebook page, Tourniquet Ark, and it appears that it is nothing more than a militant anti-meat page. It has a smattering of God in it (mostly Ted decrying how God would be against the raising and eating of animals for meat). I too frown upon some off the abuses of the Meat industry, but instead of balance, Ted seems to be trying to argue that God is Vegan. It is obvious from Redemption History that God commanded that animals be used in sacrifice and atonement for the sins of the people of God. It is also obvious that meat was to be eaten, and was eaten. Even Jesus performed miracles using fish (feeding the masses, Peter and the nets full of fish, Jesus cooking fish for the disciples after the resurrection). I suppose one could argue that Jesus never actually ate meat from a mammal, but sadly for Tourniquet Ark I see all meat;poultry, mammals, and fish eating appears to be condemned. I am worried that Ted will become another Roger Martinez, or like ex-band member, Gary Lenaire.
Tourniquet Ark is nothing more than a PRO - PETA, Animals have more rights than humans page for his animal rights focus.  If it were up to Peta and Ted we would all eat grass at least until lawn companies start protesting and making anti veggies/greens/plants rights pages.
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Post by Hardcore Christian Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:06 pm

Kerrick wrote:I see a storm coming...  Everyone, please remain respectful here...


On open theism: Black Rider is right, it's a separate topic for a separate thread.  If you want to discuss it, start a new thread.  Just remember the "don't be a jerk" rule and keep it respectful.  Personally, I'd be pretty interested in learning more about open theism.  From a quick glance at Wikipedia, I'd probably disagree with it pretty universally as well, though this could be a great opportunity to learn.
Or you could say its "The Storm Before The Calm" Razz

Anyway I see where we started

lhversaw wrote:Tourniquet Ark is nothing more than a PRO - PETA, Animals have more rights than humans page for his animal rights focus.  If it were up to Peta and Ted we would all eat grass at least until lawn companies start protesting and making anti veggies/greens/plants rights pages.
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Post by bodachi Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:06 pm

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bodachi wrote:If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?

I had to slaughter our roosters the other day.  I wore my Tourniquet hat and hummed "If I Had To Do the Killing" while I did it..
Murderer!!!  Crying or Very sad  That's what my kids tell me, they are veggies!!! Only kidding...... I personally don't know how anyone can kill an animal..... I could not do it apart from fishing that's it. So the majority of the time I am vegetarian to.  Haven't touched red meat for years. Is disgraceful the way some animals are killed, IMO if you do eat meat research should be done to make sure the animals are humanely killed.  Some videos I've seen on the web are completely heartbreaking.   Sad

I put them in the garage with the truck running.

Sometimes I feed them than make them go swimming before waiting 30 minutes.

If I'm feeling particularly lazy I lock them in the coop with an Obama autobiography audiobook, a bottle of whiskey and a noose.

Usually (seriously) I decapitate them with one quick swing of my Cold Steel Tactical Katana Machete:

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Quick and painless.

After a last cigarette, of course.
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Post by bodachi Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:09 pm

^I always ask the condemned rooster if I can call him a priest, but end up calling them a friar.
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Post by sentient 6 Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:13 am

Black Rider wrote:And Greg Boyd is an Open Theist, but that's a different topic.  Cool


Three things always come to mind when I think of Greg Boyd - His open theism, vegetarianism and pacifism. In this topic I was mainly referring to his beliefs on why he believes Christians should not kill animals or eat their meat.


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